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	*The authors go on to say the "Mormonism's heaven revolves around personal adoration and eternal sexual relations."		*The authors go on to say the "Mormonism's heaven revolves around personal adoration and eternal sexual relations."
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	*Orson Pratt, ''The Seer'', 37.		*Orson Pratt, ''The Seer'', 37.
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	The authors state that Outer Darkness is reserved for those who commit murder or apostasize until they are resurrected and judged, and that those who fail to enter the Telestial kingdom after judgment will "return again to outer darkness, this time for eternity."		The authors state that Outer Darkness is reserved for those who commit murder or apostasize until they are resurrected and judged, and that those who fail to enter the Telestial kingdom after judgment will "return again to outer darkness, this time for eternity."
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	#*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Doctrinal New Testament Commentary'', 3:75.		#Bruce R. McConkie, ''Doctrinal New Testament Commentary'', 3:75.
	*George Q. Cannon, ''Gospel Truth'', 1:62.		*George Q. Cannon, ''Gospel Truth'', 1:62.
	*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 757.		*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 757.
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	#*Ludlow, ed., "Degrees of Glory," ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', vol. 1, 368.		#Ludlow, ed., "Degrees of Glory," ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', vol. 1, 368.
	*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball'', 48.		*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball'', 48.
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	The authors claim that "Mormon males become gods of their newly inherited worlds" in the Celestial Kingdom.		The authors claim that "Mormon males become gods of their newly inherited worlds" in the Celestial Kingdom.
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	#*Ludlow, ed., "Marriage," ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', vol. 2, 858.		#Ludlow, ed., "Marriage," ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', vol. 2, 858.
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	According to the authors, "Mormon males and their goddess wives will have the ability to populate the worlds they will inherit."		According to the authors, "Mormon males and their goddess wives will have the ability to populate the worlds they will inherit."
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	#*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''The Way to Perfection'', 238-239.		#Joseph Fielding Smith, ''The Way to Perfection'', 238-239.
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	The authors state that Outer Darkness is reserved for those who commit murder or apostasize until they are resurrected and judged, and that those who fail to enter the Telestial kingdom after judgment will "return again to outer darkness, this time for eternity."		The authors state that Outer Darkness is reserved for those who commit murder or apostasize until they are resurrected and judged, and that those who fail to enter the Telestial kingdom after judgment will "return again to outer darkness, this time for eternity."
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	*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Doctrinal New Testament Commentary'', 3:75.		#*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Doctrinal New Testament Commentary'', 3:75.
	*George Q. Cannon, ''Gospel Truth'', 1:62.		*George Q. Cannon, ''Gospel Truth'', 1:62.
	*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 757.		*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 757.
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	For those whose "righteousness" will enable them to escape both outer darkness and the telestial kingdom, the next level up is a terrestrial kingdom...		For those whose "righteousness" will enable them to escape both outer darkness and the telestial kingdom, the next level up is a terrestrial kingdom...
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	*Ludlow, ed., "Degrees of Glory," ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', vol. 1, 368.		#*Ludlow, ed., "Degrees of Glory," ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', vol. 1, 368.
	*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball'', 48.		*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball'', 48.
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	*Ludlow, ed., "Marriage," ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', vol. 2, 858.		#*Ludlow, ed., "Marriage," ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', vol. 2, 858.
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	Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts....Let them praise the name of the ''Lord'': for he commanded, and they were created."		Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts....Let them praise the name of the ''Lord'': for he commanded, and they were created."
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	*The authors go on to say the "Mormonism's heaven revolves around personal adoration and eternal sexual relations."		*The authors go on to say the "Mormonism's heaven revolves around personal adoration and eternal sexual relations."
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	*Orson Pratt, ''The Seer'', 37.		*Orson Pratt, ''The Seer'', 37.
	*Personal e-mail message sent to Bill McKeever, 19 May 1997.		*Personal e-mail message sent to Bill McKeever, 19 May 1997.
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	According to Mormonism, this planet is said to be a portion of Elohim's inheritance and reward for a life of good works in a previous world...Given this LDS premise, does it seem reasonable that God is overflowing with joy watching His creation stumble through life? Does He bubble with pride as He witnesses His creation killing each other in war, aborting their babies, overdosing on drugs, and stealing from each other? Only the most sadistic of creatures would define heaven in such a disappointing way.		According to Mormonism, this planet is said to be a portion of Elohim's inheritance and reward for a life of good works in a previous world...Given this LDS premise, does it seem reasonable that God is overflowing with joy watching His creation stumble through life? Does He bubble with pride as He witnesses His creation killing each other in war, aborting their babies, overdosing on drugs, and stealing from each other? Only the most sadistic of creatures would define heaven in such a disappointing way.
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	The authors then say, "One thing for sure, there is no mention of 'bodies telestial.'" No, not in so many words, but Paul's simile is quite clearly tripartite, using the symbolism of the sun, the earth and the stars, so "telestial" (meaning "stellar," or "of stars") is hardly out of harmony with the verse. Because of their Biblicist background, they accuse Joseph Smith of a rather barefaced attempt to "bolster his erroneous doctrine" by inserting the word into the Joseph Smith Translation. However, it's well known that people in the nineteenth century often made what are technically called paraphrases (Thomas Jefferson made one of the New Testament which reflected his proto-Unitarian beliefs, for instance). A paraphrase is not a translation in the secular sense of looking at texts in other languages and then redacting (editing and recombing) the various texts and rendering the resultant consensus in the target language, and this latter, modern sense of translation has never been claimed by Latter-day Saints on behalf of the Joseph Smith Translation-it is, in fact, not canonical for precisely that reason (that is, his paraphrase as a study project was interrupted by his martyrdom so is incomplete at best). In any case, the term fits doctrinally and in the sense of the language Paul uses here, and its insertion would be problematic only for Biblicists (in other words, this is yet another error of "preaching to the choir").		The authors then say, "One thing for sure, there is no mention of 'bodies telestial.'" No, not in so many words, but Paul's simile is quite clearly tripartite, using the symbolism of the sun, the earth and the stars, so "telestial" (meaning "stellar," or "of stars") is hardly out of harmony with the verse. Because of their Biblicist background, they accuse Joseph Smith of a rather barefaced attempt to "bolster his erroneous doctrine" by inserting the word into the Joseph Smith Translation. However, it's well known that people in the nineteenth century often made what are technically called paraphrases (Thomas Jefferson made one of the New Testament which reflected his proto-Unitarian beliefs, for instance). A paraphrase is not a translation in the secular sense of looking at texts in other languages and then redacting (editing and recombing) the various texts and rendering the resultant consensus in the target language, and this latter, modern sense of translation has never been claimed by Latter-day Saints on behalf of the Joseph Smith Translation-it is, in fact, not canonical for precisely that reason (that is, his paraphrase as a study project was interrupted by his martyrdom so is incomplete at best). In any case, the term fits doctrinally and in the sense of the language Paul uses here, and its insertion would be problematic only for Biblicists (in other words, this is yet another error of "preaching to the choir").
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	==Response to claim: 172 - The next "proof text" the authors consider is 2 Corinthians 12:2-4: "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago...such a one caught up to the third heaven..."==		==Response to claim: 172 - The next "proof text" the authors consider is 2 Corinthians 12:2-4: "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago...such a one caught up to the third heaven..."==
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	Such a glaring error leads one to believe that perhaps they don't think people will check their footnotes-another sign of the "down-market" audience for which their book seems to be intended.		Such a glaring error leads one to believe that perhaps they don't think people will check their footnotes-another sign of the "down-market" audience for which their book seems to be intended.
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	*{{~~Detail~~\|Bible/Three degrees of glory not biblical/2 Corinthians 12:2-4\|Plan of salvation/Three degrees of glory/History of the belief in a three-part heaven\|l1=2 Corinthians 12:2-4 as a "proof text?"\|l2=History of the belief in a three-part heaven}}		*{{Detail_old\|Bible/Three degrees of glory not biblical/2 Corinthians 12:2-4\|Plan of salvation/Three degrees of glory/History of the belief in a three-part heaven\|l1=2 Corinthians 12:2-4 as a "proof text?"\|l2=History of the belief in a three-part heaven}}

	==Response to claim: 17-174 - The authors state that Outer Darkness is reserved for those who commit murder or apostasize until they are resurrected and judged, and that those who fail to enter the Telestial kingdom after judgment will "return again to outer darkness, this time for eternity"==		==Response to claim: 17-174 - The authors state that Outer Darkness is reserved for those who commit murder or apostasize until they are resurrected and judged, and that those who fail to enter the Telestial kingdom after judgment will "return again to outer darkness, this time for eternity"==
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	==Response to claim: 174-175 - The authors claim that Mormons' understanding of the Telestial Kingdom "is completely foreign to the Bible"==		==Response to claim: 174-175 - The authors claim that Mormons' understanding of the Telestial Kingdom "is completely foreign to the Bible"==
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	==Response to claim: 178 - LDS theology teaches that people can become angels. According to the authors, the "Bible, however, does not teach that people become angels. Angels are a distinct creation of God"==		==Response to claim: 178 - LDS theology teaches that people can become angels. According to the authors, the "Bible, however, does not teach that people become angels. Angels are a distinct creation of God"==
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	==Response to claim: 179 - "Mormon males and their goddess wives will have the ability to populate the worlds they will inherit"==		==Response to claim: 179 - "Mormon males and their goddess wives will have the ability to populate the worlds they will inherit"==
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	==Response to claim: 184 - The authors claim that "those who believe that personal merit will vindicate them will be horribly disappointed"==		==Response to claim: 184 - The authors claim that "those who believe that personal merit will vindicate them will be horribly disappointed"==
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