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	{{misinformation\|Nowhere does the prophecy state that other nations will fight for the Southern States, only that the Southern States would call upon other nations. There is no statement of the results of the "call." The Confederacy did in fact, call upon Great Britain and France. This is a matter of historic record. This came true, no matter how you look at it. The authors are making assumptions based upon statements never made, something common among critics. In other words, they are trying to claim a false prophecy based upon what was not said.		{{misinformation\|Nowhere does the prophecy state that other nations will fight for the Southern States, only that the Southern States would call upon other nations. There is no statement of the results of the "call." The Confederacy did in fact, call upon Great Britain and France. This is a matter of historic record. This came true, no matter how you look at it. The authors are making assumptions based upon statements never made, something common among critics. In other words, they are trying to claim a false prophecy based upon what was not said.
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	==Response to claim: 127 - The authors claim that the "prophetic failures" regarding the establishment of Zion and the return of Christ are the reason for Sidney Rigdon's loss of faith in Joseph Smith==		==Response to claim: 127 - The authors claim that the "prophetic failures" regarding the establishment of Zion and the return of Christ are the reason for Sidney Rigdon's loss of faith in Joseph Smith==
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	{{misinformation\|Joseph didn't know how to translate Egyptian. He had no other choice but to translate the Book of Abraham by divine inspiration, and LDS scholars were not "led" to that conclusion.		{{misinformation\|Joseph didn't know how to translate Egyptian. He had no other choice but to translate the Book of Abraham by divine inspiration, and LDS scholars were not "led" to that conclusion.
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	*{{~~Detail~~\|Book of Abraham/Papyri/Long article}}		*{{Detail_old\|Book of Abraham/Papyri/Long article}}

	==Response to claim: 131 - "Joseph Smith's interpretation of the facsimile #2 associated with the Joseph Smith papyri was determined to be incorrect by Egyptologists"==		==Response to claim: 131 - "Joseph Smith's interpretation of the facsimile #2 associated with the Joseph Smith papyri was determined to be incorrect by Egyptologists"==
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	==Response to claim: 133 - The authors note that "vast evidence" claims that Joseph Smith didn't know how to translate Egyptian, and that LDS apologists have tried to "raise doubts" about the Joseph Smith papyri==		==Response to claim: 133 - The authors note that "vast evidence" claims that Joseph Smith didn't know how to translate Egyptian, and that LDS apologists have tried to "raise doubts" about the Joseph Smith papyri==

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	D&C 84 "predicts" the establishment of Zion and the construction of a temple in Independence, Missouri.		D&C 84 "predicts" the establishment of Zion and the construction of a temple in Independence, Missouri.
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	*Lorenzo Snow, ''Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, 186.		*Lorenzo Snow, ''Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, 186.
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	The authors claim that the "prophetic failures" regarding the establishment of Zion and the return of Christ are the reason for Sidney Rigdon's loss of faith in Joseph Smith.		The authors claim that the "prophetic failures" regarding the establishment of Zion and the return of Christ are the reason for Sidney Rigdon's loss of faith in Joseph Smith.
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	#*Van Wagoner, ''Sidney Rigdon: A Portrait of Religious Excess'', 90.		#Van Wagoner, ''Sidney Rigdon: A Portrait of Religious Excess'', 90.
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	{{misinformation\|Actually, Sidney Rigdon became disassociated with the church when he was not chosen to be the leader after the murder of Joseph and Hyrum. Since Joseph Smith made no false prophecies, it had nothing to do Joseph Smith's "prophetic failures." In addition, critics such as the authors ignore the statements Joseph Smith made concerning the Saints being driven out of Missouri, going to the Rocky Mountains, and that the Center Place of Zion (Missouri) would not be settled until another time.		{{misinformation\|Actually, Sidney Rigdon became disassociated with the church when he was not chosen to be the leader after the murder of Joseph and Hyrum. Since Joseph Smith made no false prophecies, it had nothing to do Joseph Smith's "prophetic failures." In addition, critics such as the authors ignore the statements Joseph Smith made concerning the Saints being driven out of Missouri, going to the Rocky Mountains, and that the Center Place of Zion (Missouri) would not be settled until another time.
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	#*Talmage, ''The Articles of Faith'', 26-27.		#Talmage, ''The Articles of Faith'', 26-27.
	*Benson, ''Ensign'' (March 1994): 4.		*Benson, ''Ensign'' (March 1994): 4.
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	Joseph Smith's interpretation of the facsimile #2 associated with the Joseph Smith papyri was determined to be incorrect by Egyptologists.		Joseph Smith's interpretation of the facsimile #2 associated with the Joseph Smith papyri was determined to be incorrect by Egyptologists.
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	#*Richard A. Parker, "The Joseph Smith Papyri: A Preliminary Report," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'', 3, no. 2 (Summer 1968): 86.		#Richard A. Parker, "The Joseph Smith Papyri: A Preliminary Report," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'', 3, no. 2 (Summer 1968): 86.
	*Stephen Thompson, "Egyptology and the Book of Mormon," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'', 28, no. 1 (Sprint 1995): 149-150.		*Stephen Thompson, "Egyptology and the Book of Mormon," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'', 28, no. 1 (Sprint 1995): 149-150.
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	The authors note that "vast evidence" claims that Joseph Smith didn't know how to translate Egyptian, and that LDS apologists have tried to "raise doubts" about the Joseph Smith papyri.		The authors note that "vast evidence" claims that Joseph Smith didn't know how to translate Egyptian, and that LDS apologists have tried to "raise doubts" about the Joseph Smith papyri.
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	#*Peterson, ''Ensign'' (January 1994): 20.		#Peterson, ''Ensign'' (January 1994): 20.
	*Charles M. Larson, ''By His Own Hand upon Papyrus'', 36.		*Charles M. Larson, ''By His Own Hand upon Papyrus'', 36.
	*Roberts, ''Comprehensive History of the Church'', 2:138.		*Roberts, ''Comprehensive History of the Church'', 2:138.

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	*Van Wagoner, ''Sidney Rigdon: A Portrait of Religious Excess'', 90.		#*Van Wagoner, ''Sidney Rigdon: A Portrait of Religious Excess'', 90.
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	{{misinformation\|Actually, Sidney Rigdon became disassociated with the church when he was not chosen to be the leader after the murder of Joseph and Hyrum. Since Joseph Smith made no false prophecies, it had nothing to do Joseph Smith's "prophetic failures." In addition, critics such as the authors ignore the statements Joseph Smith made concerning the Saints being driven out of Missouri, going to the Rocky Mountains, and that the Center Place of Zion (Missouri) would not be settled until another time.		{{misinformation\|Actually, Sidney Rigdon became disassociated with the church when he was not chosen to be the leader after the murder of Joseph and Hyrum. Since Joseph Smith made no false prophecies, it had nothing to do Joseph Smith's "prophetic failures." In addition, critics such as the authors ignore the statements Joseph Smith made concerning the Saints being driven out of Missouri, going to the Rocky Mountains, and that the Center Place of Zion (Missouri) would not be settled until another time.
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	D&C 87:8 says the day of the Lord would come quickly, and many LDS leaders preached sermons during the Civil War anticipating the desolation of the United States. When that did not happen, Smith's prophecy on war was given a broader interpretation.		D&C 87:8 says the day of the Lord would come quickly, and many LDS leaders preached sermons during the Civil War anticipating the desolation of the United States. When that did not happen, Smith's prophecy on war was given a broader interpretation.
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	*Talmage, ''The Articles of Faith'', 26-27.		#*Talmage, ''The Articles of Faith'', 26-27.
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	While Smith's prediction was published in the Pearl of Great Price in 1851, the Pearl of Great Price did not become a part of the standard works until 1880. Smith's prophecy on war did not become a part of the D&C until 1876, more than a decade after the Civil war had ended. (12 Encyclopedia of Mormonism "Civil War Prophecy.")		While Smith's prediction was published in the Pearl of Great Price in 1851, the Pearl of Great Price did not become a part of the standard works until 1880. Smith's prophecy on war did not become a part of the D&C until 1876, more than a decade after the Civil war had ended. (12 Encyclopedia of Mormonism "Civil War Prophecy.")
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	''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'' vol. 1, "Civil War Prophecy".		#''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'' vol. 1, "Civil War Prophecy".
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	*Richard A. Parker, "The Joseph Smith Papyri: A Preliminary Report," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'', 3, no. 2 (Summer 1968): 86.		#*Richard A. Parker, "The Joseph Smith Papyri: A Preliminary Report," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'', 3, no. 2 (Summer 1968): 86.
	*Stephen Thompson, "Egyptology and the Book of Mormon," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'', 28, no. 1 (Sprint 1995): 149-150.		*Stephen Thompson, "Egyptology and the Book of Mormon," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'', 28, no. 1 (Sprint 1995): 149-150.
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	*Peterson, ''Ensign'' (January 1994): 20.		#*Peterson, ''Ensign'' (January 1994): 20.
	*Charles M. Larson, ''By His Own Hand upon Papyrus'', 36.		*Charles M. Larson, ''By His Own Hand upon Papyrus'', 36.
	*Roberts, ''Comprehensive History of the Church'', 2:138.		*Roberts, ''Comprehensive History of the Church'', 2:138.

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