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	And then, early revelations do have references to angelic visitations. Section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants, articles and covenants of the church, is an example of that. D&C section 20 has references to angelic visitations. And there are other...the 1832 history has references to it as well.<br>		And then, early revelations do have references to angelic visitations. Section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants, articles and covenants of the church, is an example of that. D&C section 20 has references to angelic visitations. And there are other...the 1832 history has references to it as well.<br>
	:::—~~Elder~~ Turley's answer to this question at the Sweden fireside.		:::—Brother Turley's answer to this question at the Sweden fireside.
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	*'''Question: Do contemporary accounts mention angelic visitors?<br>Answer: Yes.'''<br> Some of the earliest documents explicitly discuss angelic visitors to Joseph Smith:		*'''Question: Do contemporary accounts mention angelic visitors?<br>Answer: Yes.'''<br> Some of the earliest documents explicitly discuss angelic visitors to Joseph Smith:

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	* '''5 September 1829''': Skeptical newspaper reports that Martin Harris was told by Joseph that he was "visited by the spirit of the Almighty in a dream, and informed that in a certain hill . . . was deposited a Golden Bible" ["Golden Bible," Rochester (NY) ''Gem'', 5 September 1829, 70].		* '''5 September 1829''': Skeptical newspaper reports that Martin Harris was told by Joseph that he was "visited by the spirit of the Almighty in a dream, and informed that in a certain hill . . . was deposited a Golden Bible" ["Golden Bible," Rochester (NY) ''Gem'', 5 September 1829, 70].
	* '''29 November 1829''': Oliver Cowdery writes to a skeptical newspaper man for himself and Martin Harris, who were asked if "juggling" (i.e., trickery on the part of Joseph) might not explain their vision of the plates. The letter declared:		* '''29 November 1829''': Oliver Cowdery writes to a skeptical newspaper man for himself and Martin Harris, who were asked if "juggling" (i.e., trickery on the part of Joseph) might not explain their vision of the plates. The letter declared:
	::It was a clear, open beautiful day, far from any inhabitants, in a remote field, at the time we saw the record, of which it has been spoken, brought and laid before us, by an angel, arrayed in glorious light, [who]...[descended...] out of the midst of heaven.”...Now if this is human juggling—judge ye.”		::It was a clear, open beautiful day, far from any inhabitants, in a remote field, at the time we saw the record, of which it has been spoken, brought and laid before us, by an angel, arrayed in glorious light, [who]...[descended...] out of the midst of heaven....Now if this is human juggling—judge ye.
	::::—Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, in letter dated 29 November 1829, quoted in Corenlius C. Blatchly, "[http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/1829-mormon-discovery-brought-to-you-by-guest-erin-jennings/ THE NEW BIBLE], written on plates of Gold or Brass," ''Gospel Luminary'' 2/49 (10 Dec. 1829): 194.		::::—Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, in letter dated 29 November 1829, quoted in Corenlius C. Blatchly, "[http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/1829-mormon-discovery-brought-to-you-by-guest-erin-jennings/ THE NEW BIBLE], written on plates of Gold or Brass," ''Gospel Luminary'' 2/49 (10 Dec. 1829): 194.
	* '''9 June 1830''': "God visited him [Joseph Smith] by an holy angel, whose countenance was as lightning, and whose garments were pure and white above all whiteness, and gave unto him commandments which inspired him from on high." [Published "The Mormon Creed," ''Painesville Telegraph'', 19 April 1831, 4.] </blockquote>		* '''9 June 1830''': "God visited him [Joseph Smith] by an holy angel, whose countenance was as lightning, and whose garments were pure and white above all whiteness, and gave unto him commandments which inspired him from on high." [Published "The Mormon Creed," ''Painesville Telegraph'', 19 April 1831, 4.] </blockquote>

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	::: He writes that the Angel of the Lord has revealed to him the hidden treasures of wisdom & knowledge, even divine revelation, which has lain in the bowels of the earth for thousands of years [and] is at last made known to him, he says he has eyes to see things that are not and then has the audacity to say they are; and the Angel of the Lord (Devil it should be) has put me in possession of great wealth, gold and silver and precious stones so that I shall have the dominion in all the land of Palmyra. [Jesse Smith, Stockholm, New York, to Hyrum Smith, Palmyra, New York, 17 June 1829; transcribed in Joseph Smith Letterbook, 1837-43, Joseph Smith Papers, Church Archives, 59.]		::: He writes that the Angel of the Lord has revealed to him the hidden treasures of wisdom & knowledge, even divine revelation, which has lain in the bowels of the earth for thousands of years [and] is at last made known to him, he says he has eyes to see things that are not and then has the audacity to say they are; and the Angel of the Lord (Devil it should be) has put me in possession of great wealth, gold and silver and precious stones so that I shall have the dominion in all the land of Palmyra. [Jesse Smith, Stockholm, New York, to Hyrum Smith, Palmyra, New York, 17 June 1829; transcribed in Joseph Smith Letterbook, 1837-43, Joseph Smith Papers, Church Archives, 59.]
	* '''5 September 1829''': Skeptical newspaper reports that Martin Harris was told by Joseph that he was "visited by the spirit of the Almighty in a dream, and informed that in a certain hill . . . was deposited a Golden Bible" ["Golden Bible," Rochester (NY) ''Gem'', 5 September 1829, 70].		* '''5 September 1829''': Skeptical newspaper reports that Martin Harris was told by Joseph that he was "visited by the spirit of the Almighty in a dream, and informed that in a certain hill . . . was deposited a Golden Bible" ["Golden Bible," Rochester (NY) ''Gem'', 5 September 1829, 70].
			* '''29 November 1829''': Oliver Cowdery writes to a skeptical newspaper man for himself and Martin Harris, who were asked if "juggling" (i.e., trickery on the part of Joseph) might not explain their vision of the plates. The letter declared:
			::It was a clear, open beautiful day, far from any inhabitants, in a remote field, at the time we saw the record, of which it has been spoken, brought and laid before us, by an angel, arrayed in glorious light, [who]...[descended...] out of the midst of heaven.”...Now if this is human juggling—judge ye.”
			::::—Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, in letter dated 29 November 1829, quoted in Corenlius C. Blatchly, "[http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/1829-mormon-discovery-brought-to-you-by-guest-erin-jennings/ THE NEW BIBLE], written on plates of Gold or Brass," ''Gospel Luminary'' 2/49 (10 Dec. 1829): 194.
	* '''9 June 1830''': "God visited him [Joseph Smith] by an holy angel, whose countenance was as lightning, and whose garments were pure and white above all whiteness, and gave unto him commandments which inspired him from on high." [Published "The Mormon Creed," ''Painesville Telegraph'', 19 April 1831, 4.] </blockquote>		* '''9 June 1830''': "God visited him [Joseph Smith] by an holy angel, whose countenance was as lightning, and whose garments were pure and white above all whiteness, and gave unto him commandments which inspired him from on high." [Published "The Mormon Creed," ''Painesville Telegraph'', 19 April 1831, 4.] </blockquote>

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	*'''Question: Why is there a lack of contemporary sources for angelic visitations?<br>Answer: There actually are such references.'''		*'''Question: Why is there a lack of contemporary sources for angelic visitations?<br>Answer: There actually are such references.'''
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	Lack of contemporary sources...for angelic visitations. ~~There are...there’s~~ two things I want to say about this.		Lack of contemporary sources...for angelic visitations. There’s two things I want to say about this.
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	Number one, the church in its earliest days was essentially a church of oral tradition. OK? People did not write things. It’s probably like you and your childhood. Maybe not. Maybe you wrote through your childhood because you were educated well. But for people who grew up in a society where they didn’t get a lot of education they generally didn’t write. Joseph Smith really starts writing around...our first revelation for which we have documentary evidence is in the late 1820s. So the first thing he starts writing is scripture.		Number one, the church in its earliest days was essentially a church of oral tradition. OK? People did not write things. It’s probably like you and your childhood. Maybe not. Maybe you wrote through your childhood because you were educated well. But for people who grew up in a society where they didn’t get a lot of education they generally didn’t write. Joseph Smith really starts writing around...our first revelation for which we have documentary evidence is in the late 1820s. So the first thing he starts writing is scripture.