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	*Once this happens to you...your concept of God and Jesus and "the one true church" can change dramatically.		*Once this happens to you...your concept of God and Jesus and "the one true church" can change dramatically.
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	*We disagree that this is the only logical conclusion ~~to gaining~~ additional knowledge about Church history.		*We disagree that this is the only logical conclusion after one has gained additional knowledge about Church history.
	*If one concludes that the Church has been "lying" to them, then this is simply the follow on. It happens to some individuals. Unfortunately, it may lead to a rejection of belief in God or ''any'' religion.		*If one concludes that the Church has been "lying" to them, then this is simply the follow on. It happens to some individuals. Unfortunately, it may lead to a rejection of belief in God or ''any'' religion.
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	*There are many members who are well versed in Church history that fully believe in that the authority delegated by Jesus Christ resides within the Church.		*There are many members who are well versed in Church history that fully believe in that the authority delegated by Jesus Christ resides within the Church.
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	\|link=Mormonism and church leadership/The thinking has been done		\|link=Mormonism and church leadership/Authoritarianism/Quotes
	\|~~subject~~="The thinking has been done"		\|subject=Quotes by Church leaders on authoritarianism
	\|~~summary~~=Critics charge that the Church teaches that we should not exercise independent thought. "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done."		\|summary=This page contains a collection of quotes related to obedience to Church leaders.
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			\|summary2=Critics charge that the Church teaches that we should not exercise independent thought. "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done."
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	*Once this happens to you...you never think of "authority" the same way again.		*Once this happens to you...you never think of "authority" the same way again.
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	*We disagree that detailed knowledge about Church history ~~would~~ cause us to never think of "authority" the same way again. There are many members who are well versed in Church history that fully believe in that the authority delegated by Jesus Christ resides within the Church.		*We disagree that detailed knowledge about Church history should cause us to never think of "authority" the same way again.
			*Those who do not think of "authority" the same way again do so simply because they no longer believe in the Church. Church leaders are subsequently portrayed as exercising dominant authority over Church members.
			*There are many members who are well versed in Church history that fully believe in that the authority delegated by Jesus Christ resides within the Church.
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			\|summary=Critics charge that the Church teaches that we should not exercise independent thought. "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done."
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	*This statement is essentially correct. Those who place Joseph Smith on a pedestal as being some sort of perfect individual who was more than human will realize that he was subject to the same humanity as the rest of us. Joseph Smith was a human being, and was far from perfect. He made mistakes, just like any other prophet throughout history.		*This statement is essentially correct. Those who place Joseph Smith on a pedestal as being some sort of perfect individual who was more than human will realize that he was subject to the same humanity as the rest of us. Joseph Smith was a human being, and was far from perfect. He made mistakes, just like any other prophet throughout history.
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	\|link=Mormonism and doctrine/Prophets are not infallible		\|link=Mormonism and doctrine/Prophets are not infallible
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	*This is sometimes true, but should not be generalized to all Church members.		*This is sometimes true, but should not be generalized to all Church members.
	*In many cases, the Church has acknowledged these issues, but has not emphasized them in regular Church meetings.		*In many cases, the Church has acknowledged these issues, but has not emphasized them in regular Church meetings.
	\|link=/Hiding the facts		\|link=Mormonism and history/Censorship and revision/Hiding the facts
	\|subject=Hiding the facts in plain sight using Church publications		\|subject=Hiding the facts in plain sight using Church publications
	\|summary=Quite a few items that critics claim were hidden by the Church were actually published in Church magazines such as the ''New Era'', the ''Ensign'' and the ''Friend''.		\|summary=Quite a few items that critics claim were hidden by the Church were actually published in Church magazines such as the ''New Era'', the ''Ensign'' and the ''Friend''.

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	*This is sometimes true, but should not be generalized to all Church members.		*This is sometimes true, but should not be generalized to all Church members.
			*In many cases, the Church has acknowledged these issues, but has not emphasized them in regular Church meetings.
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			\|subject=Hiding the facts in plain sight using Church publications
			\|summary=Quite a few items that critics claim were hidden by the Church were actually published in Church magazines such as the ''New Era'', the ''Ensign'' and the ''Friend''.
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	\|subject2=Wayward family members		\|subject2=Wayward family members
	\|summary2=Some critics insist that the Church teaches such principles as: 1) those who are less faithful to Church teachings should (or inevitably will) receive less love, 2) that we should reject those who reject the Church and 3) children reject the Church through the fault of parents who "don't have enough faith."		\|summary2=Some critics insist that the Church teaches such principles as: 1) those who are less faithful to Church teachings should (or inevitably will) receive less love, 2) that we should reject those who reject the Church and 3) children reject the Church through the fault of parents who "don't have enough faith."
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