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			*Every copy of any book written by any author makes it very clear that it was actually written by that author. That doesn't mean that Dan Brown produced the actual printed copy of ''The Davinci Code'' that is sitting on your shelf. Nor does it mean that Abraham wrote the actual Joseph Smith papyri.
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	The two current most prominent Egyptologists on each side of the BOA issue are LDS Egyptologist Michael Rhodes and nonLDS Egyptologist Robert Ritner. Who would you believe is more qualified to answer the question as to the correct interpretation of the facsimiles and of the Egyptian papyri?		The two current most prominent Egyptologists on each side of the BOA issue are LDS Egyptologist Michael Rhodes and nonLDS Egyptologist Robert Ritner. Who would you believe is more qualified to answer the question as to the correct interpretation of the facsimiles and of the Egyptian papyri?
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	*The critics provide a list of LDS and non-LDS individuals, with the invitation to "see for yourself" whether or not they are qualified to comment on the Book of Abraham. Note the individuals selected and the critics' comments regarding their publications. Also note how the LDS list has been set up to diminish the credentials of the LDS researchers, and even includes some individuals that do not believe in the truth claims of the Church, including one exposed fraud (Dee Jay Nelson).		*The critics provide a list of LDS and non-LDS individuals, with the invitation to "see for yourself" whether or not they are qualified to comment on the Book of Abraham. Note the individuals selected and the critics' comments regarding their publications. Also note how the LDS list has been set up to omit some qualified individuals, diminish the credentials of the LDS researchers, and even includes some individuals that do not believe in the truth claims of the Church, including one exposed fraud (Dee Jay Nelson).
	*Here is the list of non-LDS scholars provided by MormonThink:		*Here is the list of non-LDS scholars provided by MormonThink:
	**'''Robert Ritner'''—Critics' comment: "nonLDS Professor of Egyptology....Author of the paper 'The Breathing Permit of HOR' Among The Joseph Smith papyri."		**'''Robert Ritner'''—Critics' comment: "nonLDS Professor of Egyptology....Author of the paper 'The Breathing Permit of HOR' Among The Joseph Smith papyri."

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	*The critics provide a list of LDS and non-LDS individuals, with the invitation to "see for yourself" whether or not they are qualified to comment on the Book of Abraham. Note the individuals selected and the critics' comments regarding their publications. Also note how the LDS list has been set up to diminish the credentials of the LDS researchers, and even includes some individuals that do not believe in the truth claims of the Church, including one exposed fraud (Dee Jay Nelson).		*The critics provide a list of LDS and non-LDS individuals, with the invitation to "see for yourself" whether or not they are qualified to comment on the Book of Abraham. Note the individuals selected and the critics' comments regarding their publications. Also note how the LDS list has been set up to diminish the credentials of the LDS researchers, and even includes some individuals that do not believe in the truth claims of the Church, including one exposed fraud (Dee Jay Nelson).
	*~~Non~~-LDS		*Here is the list of non-LDS scholars provided by MormonThink:
	**'''Robert Ritner'''—Critics' comment: "nonLDS Professor of Egyptology....Author of the paper 'The Breathing Permit of HOR' Among The Joseph Smith papyri."		**'''Robert Ritner'''—Critics' comment: "nonLDS Professor of Egyptology....Author of the paper 'The Breathing Permit of HOR' Among The Joseph Smith papyri."
	**'''Klaus Baer'''—Critics' comment: "Associate Professor of Egyptology....Wrote article for Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1968."		**'''Klaus Baer'''—Critics' comment: "Associate Professor of Egyptology....Wrote article for Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1968."
	**'''De M. Theodule Deveria''': Critics' comment: "...the first Egyptologist to examine the facsimiles."		**'''De M. Theodule Deveria''': Critics' comment: "...the first Egyptologist to examine the facsimiles."
	**'''Lanny Bell'''—Egyptologist that wrote a review of The Ancient Egyptian "Books of Breathing," the Mormon "Book of Abraham," and the Development of Egyptology in America."		**'''Lanny Bell'''—Egyptologist that wrote a review of The Ancient Egyptian "Books of Breathing," the Mormon "Book of Abraham," and the Development of Egyptology in America."
	*LDS		*Here is the list of LDS scholars provided by MormonThink:
	**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He was a scholar but not an Egyptologist when he was asked to examine the papyri. Since that time he became very interested in Egyptology....He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri." Actually, contrary to the critics' claim, Nibley studied Egyptian at University of Chicago prior to the discovery of the papyri in the New York Metropolitan Museum.		**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He was a scholar but not an Egyptologist when he was asked to examine the papyri. Since that time he became very interested in Egyptology....He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri." Actually, contrary to the critics' claim, Nibley studied Egyptian at University of Chicago prior to the discovery of the papyri in the New York Metropolitan Museum.
	**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Graduate work in Egyptology....Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)." '''Note the ad hominem claim''' that Rhodes' career in the Air Force somehow diminishes his ability to perform work in Egyptology. While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.		**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Graduate work in Egyptology....Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)." '''Note the ad hominem claim''' that Rhodes' career in the Air Force somehow diminishes his ability to perform work in Egyptology. While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.
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	**'''Stephen E. Thompson'''—Egyptologist and scholar." (NOTE: MormonThink links to an anti-Mormon website for Thompson's biography)		**'''Stephen E. Thompson'''—Egyptologist and scholar." (NOTE: MormonThink links to an anti-Mormon website for Thompson's biography)
	**'''Jeff Lindsay & Kerry Shirts'''—Critics' comment: "Not Egyptologists, not scholars. These guys are just average members with no more authority or credibility than other members."		**'''Jeff Lindsay & Kerry Shirts'''—Critics' comment: "Not Egyptologists, not scholars. These guys are just average members with no more authority or credibility than other members."
			*Here are some LDS scholars ''not'' included in MormonThink's list
			**'''Kerry Muhlestein'''—Dr. Muhlestein received his B.S. cum laude from BYU in Psychology with a Hebrew minor. In order to learn Hebrew, he spent time at the BYU Jerusalem Center for Near Eastern Studies in the intensive Hebrew program. After completing his undergraduate degree, Dr. Muhlestein received an M.A. in Ancient Near Eastern Studies from BYU and then his Ph.D., graduating, from UCLA in Egyptology.
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	*The critics provide a list of LDS and non-LDS individuals, with the invitation to "see for yourself" whether or not they are qualified to comment on the Book of Abraham. Note the individuals selected and the critics' comments regarding their publications. Also note how the LDS list has been set up to ~~include~~ some individuals that do not believe in the truth claims of the Church, including one exposed fraud (Dee Jay Nelson).		*The critics provide a list of LDS and non-LDS individuals, with the invitation to "see for yourself" whether or not they are qualified to comment on the Book of Abraham. Note the individuals selected and the critics' comments regarding their publications. Also note how the LDS list has been set up to diminish the credentials of the LDS researchers, and even includes some individuals that do not believe in the truth claims of the Church, including one exposed fraud (Dee Jay Nelson).
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	**'''Robert Ritner'''—Critics' comment: "nonLDS Professor of Egyptology....Author of the paper 'The Breathing Permit of HOR' Among The Joseph Smith papyri."		**'''Robert Ritner'''—Critics' comment: "nonLDS Professor of Egyptology....Author of the paper 'The Breathing Permit of HOR' Among The Joseph Smith papyri."

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	**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He was a scholar but not an Egyptologist when he was asked to examine the papyri. Since that time he became very interested in Egyptology....He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri." Actually, contrary to the critics' claim, Nibley studied Egyptian at University of Chicago prior to the discovery of the papyri in the New York Metropolitan Museum.		**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He was a scholar but not an Egyptologist when he was asked to examine the papyri. Since that time he became very interested in Egyptology....He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri." Actually, contrary to the critics' claim, Nibley studied Egyptian at University of Chicago prior to the discovery of the papyri in the New York Metropolitan Museum.
	**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Graduate work in Egyptology....Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)." '''Note the ad hominem claim''' that Rhodes career in the Air Force somehow diminishes his ability to perform work in Egyptology. While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.		**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Graduate work in Egyptology....Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)." '''Note the ad hominem claim''' that Rhodes' career in the Air Force somehow diminishes his ability to perform work in Egyptology. While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.
	**'''John Gee'''— Critics' comment: "FARMS Egyptologist....He has written many articles for FARMS." The critics credit Gee as a "FARMS Egyptologist" while ignoring the fact that he holds a Ph.D. in Egyptology from Yale University.		**'''John Gee'''— Critics' comment: "FARMS Egyptologist....He has written many articles for FARMS." The critics credit Gee as a "FARMS Egyptologist" while ignoring the fact that he holds a Ph.D. in Egyptology from Yale University.
	**'''Michael Marquardt'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Historical researcher."		**'''Michael Marquardt'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Historical researcher."

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	**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He was a scholar but not an Egyptologist when he was asked to examine the papyri. Since that time he became very interested in Egyptology....He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri." Actually, contrary to the critics' claim, Nibley studied Egyptian at University of Chicago prior to the discovery of the papyri in the New York Metropolitan Museum.		**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He was a scholar but not an Egyptologist when he was asked to examine the papyri. Since that time he became very interested in Egyptology....He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri." Actually, contrary to the critics' claim, Nibley studied Egyptian at University of Chicago prior to the discovery of the papyri in the New York Metropolitan Museum.
	**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Graduate work in Egyptology....Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)" While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.		**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Graduate work in Egyptology....Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)." '''Note the ad hominem claim''' that Rhodes career in the Air Force somehow diminishes his ability to perform work in Egyptology. While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.
	**'''John Gee'''— Critics' comment: "FARMS Egyptologist....He has written many articles for FARMS." The critics credit Gee as a "FARMS Egyptologist" while ignoring the fact that he holds a Ph.D. in Egyptology from Yale University.		**'''John Gee'''— Critics' comment: "FARMS Egyptologist....He has written many articles for FARMS." The critics credit Gee as a "FARMS Egyptologist" while ignoring the fact that he holds a Ph.D. in Egyptology from Yale University.
	**'''Michael Marquardt'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Historical researcher."		**'''Michael Marquardt'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Historical researcher."

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	**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri."		**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri."
	**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)"		**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)" While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.
	**'''John Gee'''— Critics' comment: "He has written many articles for FARMS."		**'''John Gee'''— Critics' comment: "He has written many articles for FARMS."
	**'''Michael Marquardt'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Historical researcher."		**'''Michael Marquardt'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Historical researcher."

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	*The critics provide a list of LDS and non-LDS individuals, with the invitation to "see for yourself" whether or not they are qualified to comment on the Book of Abraham. Note the individuals selected and the critics' comments regarding their publications. Also note how the LDS list has been set up to include some individuals that do not believe in the truth claims of the Church, including one exposed fraud (Dee Jay Nelson).		*The critics provide a list of LDS and non-LDS individuals, with the invitation to "see for yourself" whether or not they are qualified to comment on the Book of Abraham. Note the individuals selected and the critics' comments regarding their publications. Also note how the LDS list has been set up to include some individuals that do not believe in the truth claims of the Church, including one exposed fraud (Dee Jay Nelson).
	*Non-LDS		*Non-LDS
	**'''Robert Ritner'''—Critics' comment: "Author of the paper 'The Breathing Permit of HOR' Among The Joseph Smith papyri~~....Read his resume and see how he spent most of his career~~."		**'''Robert Ritner'''—Critics' comment: "nonLDS Professor of Egyptology....Author of the paper 'The Breathing Permit of HOR' Among The Joseph Smith papyri."
	**'''Klaus Baer'''—Critics' comment: "Wrote article for Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1968."		**'''Klaus Baer'''—Critics' comment: "Associate Professor of Egyptology....Wrote article for Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1968."
	**'''De M. Theodule Deveria''': Critics' comment: "...the first Egyptologist to examine the facsimiles."		**'''De M. Theodule Deveria''': Critics' comment: "...the first Egyptologist to examine the facsimiles."
	**'''Lanny Bell'''—Egyptologist that wrote a review of The Ancient Egyptian "Books of Breathing," the Mormon "Book of Abraham," and the Development of Egyptology in America."		**'''Lanny Bell'''—Egyptologist that wrote a review of The Ancient Egyptian "Books of Breathing," the Mormon "Book of Abraham," and the Development of Egyptology in America."
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	**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri."		**'''Hugh Nibley'''— Critics' comment: "He was a scholar but not an Egyptologist when he was asked to examine the papyri. Since that time he became very interested in Egyptology....He published many articles in the church magazine The Improvement Era regarding the papyri." Actually, contrary to the critics' claim, Nibley studied Egyptian at University of Chicago prior to the discovery of the papyri in the New York Metropolitan Museum.
	**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)" While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.		**'''Michael Rhodes'''—Critics' comment: "Graduate work in Egyptology....Author of Ensign article....From his web site click on his resume and see how he spent most of his career (in the Air Force)" While listing an unnamed "Ensign article," the critics fail to note that Rhodes has published a translation of the Joseph Smith papyri.
	**'''John Gee'''— Critics' comment: "He has written many articles for FARMS."		**'''John Gee'''— Critics' comment: "FARMS Egyptologist....He has written many articles for FARMS." The critics credit Gee as a "FARMS Egyptologist" while ignoring the fact that he holds a Ph.D. in Egyptology from Yale University.
	**'''Michael Marquardt'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Historical researcher."		**'''Michael Marquardt'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Historical researcher."
	**'''Edward H. Ashment'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Egyptologist that disagrees with his colleagues at FARMS about their theories on explaining Joseph's translation of the papyri."		**'''Edward H. Ashment'''— Critics' comment: "LDS Egyptologist that disagrees with his colleagues at FARMS about their theories on explaining Joseph's translation of the papyri."
	**'''Dee Nelson'''— Critics' comment: "Church member that was one of the first to examine the papyri. He claimed to have a background in Egyptology but was later exposed for misrepresenting his credentials. However, his initial examination of the papyri was correct in that he concluded it was an Egyptian funeral document having nothing to do with Abraham."		**'''Dee Nelson'''— Critics' comment: "Church member that was one of the first to examine the papyri. He claimed to have a background in Egyptology but was later exposed for misrepresenting his credentials. However, his initial examination of the papyri was correct in that he concluded it was an Egyptian funeral document having nothing to do with Abraham."
	**'''Stuart Ferguson'''— Critics' comment: "LDS archeologist....After reports came out that the Joseph Smith papyri was nothing more than common Egyptian funeral documents he lost his testimony."		**'''Stuart Ferguson'''— Critics' comment: "LDS archeologist....After reports came out that the Joseph Smith papyri was nothing more than common Egyptian funeral documents he lost his testimony." Ferguson shouldn't even be on this list. His interest was Book of Mormon archaeology, not the Book of Abraham.
	**'''Stephen E. Thompson'''—Egyptologist and scholar." (NOTE: MormonThink links to an anti-Mormon website for Thompson's biography)		**'''Stephen E. Thompson'''—Egyptologist and scholar." (NOTE: MormonThink links to an anti-Mormon website for Thompson's biography)
	**'''Jeff Lindsay & Kerry Shirts'''—Critics' comment: "Not Egyptologists, not scholars. These guys are just average members with no more authority or credibility than other members."		**'''Jeff Lindsay & Kerry Shirts'''—Critics' comment: "Not Egyptologists, not scholars. These guys are just average members with no more authority or credibility than other members."