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[[File:Johnson comparison late war bom brass plates.jpg|frame|700px|center|Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, ""A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki>]]
 
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===3 Nephi 10:17 talks of "plates of brass" while 'The Late War'' 31:33 talks of "imaginary evils" that are "graven in brass" and "good deeds" that are "graven in sand"===
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17 Behold, our father Jacob also testified concerning a remnant of the seed of Joseph. And behold, are not we a remnant of the seed of Joseph? And these things which testify of us, are they not <span style="color:blue">written upon the plates of brass</span> which our father Lehi brought out of Jerusalem?
 
17 Behold, our father Jacob also testified concerning a remnant of the seed of Joseph. And behold, are not we a remnant of the seed of Joseph? And these things which testify of us, are they not <span style="color:blue">written upon the plates of brass</span> which our father Lehi brought out of Jerusalem?
 
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1 And it came to pass that the Lord commanded me, wherefore I did make plates of ore that I might <span style="color:blue">engraven upon them the record of my people</span>. And upon the plates which I made I did <span style="color:blue">engraven the record</span> of my father, and also our journeyings in the wilderness, and the prophecies of my father; and also many of mine own prophecies have I <span style="color:blue">engraven upon them</span>.
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26 But the imaginary evils which the children of men commit are oftentimes <span style="color:red">graven in brass</span>, whilst their actual good deeds are written in sand.
 
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27 And they brought a record with them, even a record of the people whose bones they had found; and it was <span style="color:blue">engraven on plates of ore</span>.
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1 And it came to pass that the Lord commanded me, wherefore I did make plates of ore that I might <span style="color:blue">engraven upon them the record of my people</span>. And upon the plates which I made I did <span style="color:blue">engraven the record</span> of my father, and also our journeyings in the wilderness, and the prophecies of my father; and also many of mine own prophecies have I <span style="color:blue">engraven upon them</span>.
 
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27 And they brought a record with them, even a record of the people whose bones they had found; and it was <span style="color:blue">engraven on plates of ore</span>.
 
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33 Likewise, the people gave him much <span style="color:red">silver plate, with gravings thereon</span>, mentioning his deeds.
 
33 Likewise, the people gave him much <span style="color:red">silver plate, with gravings thereon</span>, mentioning his deeds.
 
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[[File:Johnson comparison late war bom engraved silver plate.jpg|frame|500px|center|Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, ""A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki>]]
 
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One critic of the Church misinterprets this data to mean that both books talk about "Brass plates". <ref>Jeremy Runnells, "Letter to a CES Director" (October 2014 revision).</ref> Although both books talk of "engraving" records, ''The Late War'' makes no mention of "brass plates".
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[[es:Pregunta: ¿Podría el libro de Gilbert Hunt ''La Última Guerra'' han dado a José Smith la idea de utilizar planchas de bronce como una forma de registrar la información?]]
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[[pt:Pergunta: Poderia ''A Última Guerra'' por Gilbert Hunt deram Joseph Smith a idéia de usar placas de latão, como forma de registro de informações?]]
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Question: Could Gilbert Hunt's The Late War have given Joseph Smith the idea of using brass plates as a way of recording information?

Critics' comparison: Both books mention engraving a record on metal [1]

Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, ""A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/

3 Nephi 10:17 talks of "plates of brass" while 'The Late War 31:33 talks of "imaginary evils" that are "graven in brass" and "good deeds" that are "graven in sand"

3 Nephi 10꞉17

17 Behold, our father Jacob also testified concerning a remnant of the seed of Joseph. And behold, are not we a remnant of the seed of Joseph? And these things which testify of us, are they not written upon the plates of brass which our father Lehi brought out of Jerusalem?

The Late War 36 (p. 134) off-site

26 But the imaginary evils which the children of men commit are oftentimes graven in brass, whilst their actual good deeds are written in sand.

1 Nephi 19:1 talks of "engraven" records and Mosiah 21:27 talks of records "engraven on plates of ore" while The Late War talks of a "silver plate" with "gravings thereon"

1 Nephi 19꞉1

1 And it came to pass that the Lord commanded me, wherefore I did make plates of ore that I might engraven upon them the record of my people. And upon the plates which I made I did engraven the record of my father, and also our journeyings in the wilderness, and the prophecies of my father; and also many of mine own prophecies have I engraven upon them.

Mosiah 21꞉27

27 And they brought a record with them, even a record of the people whose bones they had found; and it was engraven on plates of ore.

The Late War 31 (p. 112) off-site

33 Likewise, the people gave him much silver plate, with gravings thereon, mentioning his deeds.

Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, ""A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/

The Late War does not speak of "brass plates"

One critic of the Church misinterprets this data to mean that both books talk about "Brass plates". [2] Although both books talk of "engraving" records, The Late War makes no mention of "brass plates".


Notes

  1. ↑ Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, "A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/
  2. ↑ Jeremy Runnells, "Letter to a CES Director" (October 2014 revision).
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