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==About this work==
==About this work==
 
{{Epigraph|The Tanners seem to be playing a skillful shell game in which the premises for judgment are conveniently shifted so that the conclusion is always the same&mdash;negative.<br> &mdash; {{Dialogue1|author=Lawrence Foster|article=Career Apostates: Reflections on the Works of Jerald and Sandra Tanner|vol=17|num=2|date=Summer 1984|start=49}} }}
Author: Jerald and Sandra Tanner
 
==Claims made in this work==
A list of claims indexed by page number made in ''The Changing World of Mormonism'' with links to the corresponding responses in the FAIRwiki may be found here: [[/Index|Index to claims made in ''The Changing World of Mormonism'']].
 
==Quote mining, selective quotation and distortion==
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===Joseph couldn't have seen God without having the priesthood?===
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|p. 150
{{QuoteMining:Doctrines of Salvation 1:4}}
||D&C 84:21-22 states "And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh; For without this no man can see the face of God, even the Father, and live." Joseph Fielding Smith references D&C 84:22 in a footnote.
 
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'''Commentary'''
*The authors recite the two verses from the 1832 revelation, and then use Joseph Fielding Smith's quote by saying that "[n]ow, it is claimed that 'The Father and the Son appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith before the Church was organized and the priesthood restored to the earth'", implying that the story of the First Vision was fabricated later. The authors claim that Joseph Fielding Smith's statement ''changed'' what Joseph Smith stated in his 1832 revelation when he said that one had to have the priesthood to see God. One must also wonder why Joseph Smith would state the a man had to have the priesthood to see God in 1832, ''the same year he began writing his first account of the First Vision,'' and yet see no contradiction. Joseph Fielding Smith is answering this question by explaining ''why'' Joseph Smith was able to see the Father and the Son before he received the priesthood&mdash;A detail omitted by the authors when they mined the quote.
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===Orson Pratt "admitted" that the Book of Mormon condemns polygamy?===
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|p. 221. "Orson Pratt once admitted that 'The Book of Mormon, therefore, is the only record (professing to be divine) which condemns the plurality of wives as being a practice exceeding abominable before God'"
{{QuoteMining:JoD 6:351}}
||Orson Pratt, ''Journal of Discourses'' 6:351
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'''Commentary'''
*The authors claim that Orson Pratt "admitted" that the Book of Mormon condemns polygamy. In order to imply Pratt's support for this assertion, the authors mine ''only'' the portion of Pratt's quote that talks about the condemnation, and do not include any mention of the exception.
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===Early church leaders were "confused" about baptism for the dead?===
 
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|p. 512. "The early Mormon leaders seem to have been very confused concerning baptism for the dead."
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||Brigham Young, ''Journal of Discourses'' 18:241
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'''Commentary'''
*The authors wish to portray the early church leaders as being "confused" about the institution of the practice of baptism for the dead. In order to illustrate this "confusion," they extract portions of a quote made by Brigham Young in which he states that it was necessary to redo some of the baptisms because they had not recorded them properly. Brigham used this example to illustrate that the Lord continued to reveal new information over time. Upon reading the full quote, there is no indication whatsoever that anyone was "confused."
 
===Church members perform "ancestor worship?"===
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|p. 517. "This obsession with the dead approaches very close to ancestral worship."
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||Elder Adney Y. Komatsu, Assistant to the Council of the Twelve, ''Ensign'' May 1976, p.102
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'''Commentary'''
*The authors wish to show that baptism for the dead is a form of "ancestor worship." In order to accomplish this, they extract phrases from a story told by Elder Komatsu about a couple that wished to be married, but were denied permission by the boy's parents. The use of genealogical research was the key that opened the door to allowing the couple to eventually be married. The authors carefully extract the phrases that they want to use, thereby making it impossible to see what Elder Komatsu was actually talking about. Baptism for the dead does not in any way represent "ancestor worship," and the authors had to search pretty hard to find a quote that they could butcher sufficiently to support this conclusion.
 
==Endnotes==
 
==Reviews of this work==
 
==Further reading==
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Learn more about responses to: Jerald and Sandra Tanner
Wiki links
FAIR links
  • Barry R. Bickmore, "The Tanners on the Hereafter:A Case Study in 'Studied Ignorance'," FAIR FAIR link
  • Michael R. Ash, "Up In Smoke: A Response to the Tanners' Criticism of the Word of Wisdom," FAIR Conference, 2000. off-site
  • Mike Ash, "Up In Smoke: A Response To the Tanners’ Criticism of the Word of Wisdom," Proceedings of the 2000 FAIR Conference (August 2000). link
  • Danel Bachman, "Mormonism—Shadow or Reality?: History or Propaganda? Joseph Smith as a Case Study," Proceedings of the 2000 FAIR Conference (August 2000). link
  • Daniel C. Peterson, "'Easier than Research, More Inflammatory than Truth'," Proceedings of the 2000 FAIR Conference (August 2000). link
  • Robert Vukich, "An Incident Concerning Page 81 of 'Mormonism—Shadow or Reality?'," Proceedings of the 2000 FAIR Conference (August 2000). link
Online
Lawrence Foster, Dialogue<ref>Lawrence Foster, "Career Apostates:Reflections on the Works of Jerald and Sandra Tanner," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 17 no. 2 (Summer 1984), 45–46.
  • Todd Compton's response to Jerald and Sandra Tanners' Review of In Sacred Loneliness off-site
  • Allen Wyatt, "Largely Shadow, Short of Reality," Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship 59/6 (17 November 2023). [135–158] link
  • Tom Nibley, "A Look at Jerald and Sandra Tanner's Covering Up the Black Hole in the Book of Mormon," Review of Books on the Book of Mormon 5/1 (1993). [273–289] link
  • L. Ara Norwood, "Review of Covering Up the Black Hole in the Book of Mormon by Jerald and Sandra Tanner," Review of Books on the Book of Mormon 3/1 (1991). [158–169] link
  • Matthew Roper, "'A Black Hole That's Not So Black (Review of Answering Mormon Scholars: A Response to Criticism of the Book, vol. 1 by Jerald and Sandra Tanner)'," Review of Books on the Book of Mormon 6/2 (1994). [156–203] link
  • John A. Tvedtnes and Matthew Roper, "Joseph Smith's Use of the Apocrypha: Shadow or Reality? (Review of Joseph Smith's Use of the Apocrypha by Jerald and Sandra Tanner)," FARMS Review 8/2 (1996). [326–372] link
  • Matthew Roper, "Review of Covering Up the Black Hole in the Book of Mormon by Jerald and Sandra Tanner," Review of Books on the Book of Mormon 3/1 (1991). [170–187] link
  • Matthew P. Roper, "Review of Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner," Review of Books on the Book of Mormon 4/1 (1992). [169–215] link
  • Matthew Roper, "Unanswered Mormon Scholars (Review of Answering Mormon Scholars: A Response to Criticism Raised by Mormon Defenders)," FARMS Review 9/1 (1997). [87–145] link
  • John A. Tvedtnes, "'Review of Answering Mormon Scholars: A Response to Criticism of the Book, vol. 1 by Jerald and Sandra Tanner,'," Review of Books on the Book of Mormon 6/2 (1994). [204–249] link
  • John A. Tvedtnes, "Review of Covering Up the Black Hole in the Book of Mormon by Jerald and Sandra Tanner," Review of Books on the Book of Mormon 3/1 (1991). [188–230] link
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About this work

The Tanners seem to be playing a skillful shell game in which the premises for judgment are conveniently shifted so that the conclusion is always the same—negative.
— Lawrence Foster, "Career Apostates: Reflections on the Works of Jerald and Sandra Tanner," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 17 no. 2 (Summer 1984), 49.
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