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This geography is based on a DVD presentation (which is in turn based on fireside presentations) produced by Rodney (Rod) Meldrum: {{Presentation:Meldrum:DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon}}.
 
  
=Heartland model=
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{{:Question: What is the Heartland Model of Book of Mormon geography}}
==FAIR Reviews==
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{{:Source:Wright:Heartland as Hinterland:The core locations and events detailed in the text of the Book of Mormon took place in Mesoamerica, but many Nephites and Lamanites migrated and established settlements far northward}}
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{{:Question: Did LDS scholar Hugh Nibley support the "Heartland model" of Book of Mormon geography?}}
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{{:Question: Are theories that do not agree with the Heartland model "apostate?"}}
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{{Related articles
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|link1=Book of Mormon/Geography/Models/Limited/Meldrum 2003/Relationship of Heartland model to other models
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|subject1=Relationship of the Heartland model to other models
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|summary1=Are geographical models that do not agree with the Heartland model "apostate?"
  
FAIR has a review of some of the contents and tactics used by this presentation:
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|link2=Book of Mormon/Geography/Disdaining the statements of Joseph Smith
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|subject2=Disdaining Joseph?
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|summary2=Do LDS scholars "disdain" the statements of Joseph Smith related to Book of Mormon geography?
  
* Full Review [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/ html]
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|link8=Book of Mormon/Geography/Definition of "continent"
<!--* Introduction: Misguided Zeal and Defense of the Church
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|subject8="this land"
** Full version [http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/MisguidedF.html html] [http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/MisguidedF.pdf pdf]
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|summary8=Definition of "this land" with respect to Book of Mormon geography
** Executive summary: [http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/MisguidedS.html html] [http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/MisguidedS.pdf pdf]
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* Section 1: DNA
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|link4=Book of Mormon/Geography/Location of Zarahemla
** Full version [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG01F.html html][http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG01F.pdf pdf]
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|subject4=Location of Zarahemla
** Executive summary[http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG01S.html html][http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG01S.pdf pdf]
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|summary4=It is claimed that the location of the city of Zarahemla was provided to Joseph Smith through revelation and that it was located on the Mississippi River opposite where Nauvoo is located today.
* Section 2: Geography
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** Full version [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG02F.html html][http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG02F.pdf pdf]
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|link5=Book of Mormon/Geography/Borders of the Lamanites
** Executive summary[http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG02S.html html][http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG02S.pdf pdf]
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|subject5=Borders of the Lamanites
* Section 3: Joseph Smith
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|summary5=It is claimed that the proposal of a Mesoamerican limited geographical Book of Mormon setting contradicts D&C 54:8, which discusses the "borders of the Lamanites" being in North America.
** Full version [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG03F.html html][http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG03F.pdf pdf]
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** Executive summary[http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG03S.html html][http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG03S.pdf pdf]-->
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|link6=Book of Mormon/Geography/Statements
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|subject6=Statements
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|summary6=Statements made by Church leaders, members, and publications about Book of Mormon geography issues
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|link7=Book_of_Mormon_geography/Statements/No_revealed_geography
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|subject7=No revealed geography
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|summary7=A collection of statements indicating that there is no revealed geography for the Book of Mormon (these quotes are also in the collections below, by date).
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|link3=Book of Mormon/Geography/Statements/Hugh Nibley
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|subject3=Statements by Hugh Nibley
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|summary3=LDS scholar Hugh Nibley is sometimes cited out of context by advocates of the Heartland theory who wish to claim his support for their ideas. They do this to disguise that Nibley argued for Mesoamerican involvement in the Book of Mormon. All of Nibley's statements should be considered if one wishes to know what he thought.
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{{:Book of Mormon/Geography/Hoaxes}}
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FairMormon has a review of some of the contents and tactics used by this presentation.
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There are both brief '''executive summaries''' and more detailed information.
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* Full Review '''[http://www.fairlds.org/reviews-of-dna-evidence-for-book-of-mormon-geography Click here]'''
  
 
==Other reviews==
 
==Other reviews==
 
*{{Ainsworth:Heartland_review_1}}
 
*{{Ainsworth:Heartland_review_1}}
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*{{TrueBoM:Heartland_review_1}}
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*Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/269 Great Lakes 'Heartland' Model]" (summary page)
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** Joe V Andersen, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/261 A critical Review of Wayne N. May's ''This Land: Zarahemla and the Nephite Nation'']."
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** Douglas K. Christensen, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/160 The Hopewell Culture of Eastern North America]."
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** Chris Heimerdinger, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/228 Revelatory Stewardship and the Book of Mormon]."
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** John L. Lund, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/177 Where Was Joseph Smith between March 1, 1842 and Nov 15, 1842]."
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** Ted Dee Stoddard, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/270 'Thick Darkness,' 'Vapor of Darkness,' and 'Mists of Darkness': Indications of Weather and Climate in the Book of Mormon]."
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** Ted Dee Stoddard, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/220 'The Whiteness of the Driven Snow': An Evaluation of the Word 'Snow' in the Book of Mormon]."
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** Ted Dee Stoddard, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/238 Joseph Smith and John Lloyd Stephens]."
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** Ted Dee Stoddard, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/237 The Need for Evidence of a High-Level Written Language in the New World]."
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** Ted Dee Stoddard, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/237 'I Write unto All the Ends of the Earth': The Need for Evidence of a High-Level Written Language in the New World]."
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** John A. Tvedtnes, "[http://www.bmaf.org/node/129 A Brief History of the Limited Geographic View of the Book of Mormon]."
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* {{FR-22-2-4}} <!--Roper-->
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==Blog posts==
 
==Blog posts==
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* FAIR Blog: Allen Wyatt, "Examining the Secular Side," (3 Sept 2008) {{fairlink|url=http://www.fairblog.org/2008/09/03/examining-the-secular-side/}}
 
* FAIR Blog: Allen Wyatt, "Examining the Secular Side," (3 Sept 2008) {{fairlink|url=http://www.fairblog.org/2008/09/03/examining-the-secular-side/}}
 
* FAIR blog: Scott Gordon, "Helping Those Struggling with Anti-Mormonism," (3 Sept 2008) {{fairlink|url=http://www.fairblog.org/2008/09/03/helping-those-struggling-with-anti-mormonism/}}
 
* FAIR blog: Scott Gordon, "Helping Those Struggling with Anti-Mormonism," (3 Sept 2008) {{fairlink|url=http://www.fairblog.org/2008/09/03/helping-those-struggling-with-anti-mormonism/}}
*[http://www.mormonsites.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=468 Dr. Jerry Ainsworth responds to DVD], blog, 20 September, 2008.
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*[http://www.mormonsites.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=468 Dr. Jerry Ainsworth responds to DVD], blog, 20 September 2008.
 
*Steven Danderson, [http://www.fairblog.org/2008/10/05/usingand-misusing-scholarship-and-revelation/ Using and misusing scholarship and revelation….] (October 5, 2008)
 
*Steven Danderson, [http://www.fairblog.org/2008/10/05/usingand-misusing-scholarship-and-revelation/ Using and misusing scholarship and revelation….] (October 5, 2008)
 
*Robert White [http://www.fairblog.org/2008/10/07/the-truth-will-out-at-last/ The Truth Will Out At Last] (October 7, 2008)
 
*Robert White [http://www.fairblog.org/2008/10/07/the-truth-will-out-at-last/ The Truth Will Out At Last] (October 7, 2008)
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==Other resources==
 
==Other resources==
* Rod Meldrum homepage {{link|url=http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/}}
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* Kristen Moulton, "Book of Mormon geography stirring controversy," ''Salt Lake Tribune'' (25 March 2010) {{link|url=http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_14750506}}.
 
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*Michael De Groote, "Mormon geography conferences to compete this weekend," ''Deseret News'' (29 March 2010) {{link|url=http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700020516/Mormon-geography-conferences-to-compete-this-weekend.html}}
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* Rod Meldrum/FIRM Foundation homepage {{link|url=http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/}}
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* LDS Promised Land {{link|url=http://www.ldspromisedland.com}}
 
==Index of geographical claims made in the DVD ''DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography''==
 
==Index of geographical claims made in the DVD ''DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography''==
 
The following tables respond to specific geographical claims made in the DVD. Only the geographical claims are treated here. For other issues related to this DVD and the presentation "Introduction to Book of Mormon Evidences," see the following:
 
The following tables respond to specific geographical claims made in the DVD. Only the geographical claims are treated here. For other issues related to this DVD and the presentation "Introduction to Book of Mormon Evidences," see the following:
{{Main|DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography (DVD)|l1=A FAIR Analysis of ''DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography and in associated seminar presentations''}}
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{{Main|DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography (DVD)|l1=A FairMormon Analysis of ''DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography and in associated seminar presentations''}}
  
 
===A note about DNA claims===
 
===A note about DNA claims===
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{{HeartlandGeographyTables}}
 
{{HeartlandGeographyTables}}
  
===Claims made in the seminar "Introduction to Book of Mormon Evidences===
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{{endnotes sources}}
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====High culture====
 
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*The presenter claims that Central America has become a popular location for Book of Mormon lands because they had a "high culture." The presenter asks: "When have the Lord's people ever been the highest culture?" The presenter claims that Israelites were "living on the mountains" and that the Lord's people have never been the "largest, greatest culture."
 
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*'''What did Joseph Smith have to say about this?''' The presenter ignores the words of Joseph Smith on this matter. Joseph claimed that the Book of Mormon people had "high culture:"
 
<blockquote>
 
...'''a great and a mighty people had inhabited this continent-that the arts sciences and religion, had prevailed to a very great extent, and that there was as great and mighty cities on this continent as on the continent of Asia.''' Babylon, Ninevah, nor any of the ruins of the Levant could boast of more perfect sculpture, better architectural designs, and more imperishable ruins, than what are found on this continent. (Joseph Smith, {{PWJSOrig1| start=}}) {{ea}}
 
</blockquote>
 
*As noted below, the words "this content" are defined by Webster's 1828 dictionary as the Western continent, comprising the North and South American landmass.
 
* The search for a "high culture" area is also necessitated by the Book of Mormon text, since it describes a civilization with kings, cities, trade, settled agriculture, and ''writing''.  Mesoamerican theorists point out that only in Mesoamerica is there evidence of literacy and record-keeping.
 
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*None
 
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===Claims made in section 1: DNA Evidence===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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===Claims made in section 2: Geography===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====DVD 2-11:33====
 
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*It is claimed that the "Hill Cumorah" in New York is the "Hill Cumorah" referred to in the Book of Mormon.
 
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*The hill in New York was not called "Cumorah" until after the publication of the Book of Mormon.
 
*The Book of Mormon does ''not'' say that the plates were buried in Cumorah&mdash;it states that all of the ''other'' Nephite records were hidden there. The only reason we know where Moroni ultimately buried the plates is because of where they were found.
 
*The geology of the Hill Cumorah in New York makes the presence of a cave there extremely unlikely.
 
* [[Archaeology_and_the_Hill_Cumorah|Hill Cumorah issues]]
 
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* None
 
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===Claims made in section 3: Joseph Smith===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====DVD 3-3:55====
 
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*The DVD provides the following quote from the Wentworth Letter, in which Joseph said:
 
<blockquote>
 
"I was also informed concerning the aboriginal inhabitants of this country, and shown who they were, where they came from, a brief sketch of their origin, their progress, their civilization, their laws, their governments. And all this happened on this continent...'''The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country'''." {{ea}}
 
</blockquote>
 
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*{{SourceDistortion}}
 
*Note that the following text from the Wentworth Letter is ommitted from the presentation:
 
<blockquote>
 
'''The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country'''. This book also tells us that our Saviour [Savior] made his appearance upon this continent after his resurrection, that he planted the gospel here in all its fulness [fullness], and richness, and power, and blessing; that they had apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers and evangelists; the same order, the same priesthood, the same ordinances, gifts, powers, and blessing, '''as was enjoyed on the eastern continent''', that the people were cut off in consequence of their transgressions... {{ea}}
 
</blockquote>
 
*Note that in the portion of the Wentworth letter that follows the quote given by the presenter, that Joseph refers to "the eastern continent."
 
*It is claimed that the reference to "this country" refers to the United States of America. One must remember that the United States was much smaller at this time.
 
*Most of the Native Americans referred to resided in territories which were not part of the United States. Most of the land to the west in the 1830's was designated as "Unorganized Territory" and "Mexican Possessions."
 
*See {{FAIR:Reviews of DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography:Joseph Smith}}
 
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* None
 
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====DVD 3-4:37====
 
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*{{AuthorQuote|I went back and looked in Noah Webster's dictionary of the 1850's, when Joseph Smith was around, and when it said "continent," they're not talking about North and South America. OK? There's a North American continent and a South American continent in Noah Webster's dictionary.}}
 
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*{{FalseStatement}} Webster's 1828 dictionary refers to the entire North and South American landmass as a single continent.
 
*See: [[Book of Mormon geography/Definition of "continent"]]
 
*Joseph Smith wasn't "around" in the 1850s...he died in 1844!
 
*See {{FAIR:Reviews of DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography:Joseph Smith}}
 
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*See [http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,continent Webster's Dictionary 1828 definition of "continent"]
 
*See [http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,america Webster's Dictionary 1828 definition of "america"]
 
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====DVD 3-4:58====
 
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*Joseph said in the ''American Revivalist'' that "The Book of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our western tribes of Indians."
 
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* All Amerindians in Joseph's day were likely Lehi descendants.  This does not tell us where the Book of Mormon took place.
 
* [[Amerindians as Lamanites]]
 
* [[Amerindians_as_Lamanites#All_From_Lehi|All from Lehi?]]
 
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====DVD 3-5:41====
 
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*In the ''American Revivalist'', Joseph stated:
 
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The Book of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our western tribes of Indians... By it, we learn that our western tribes of Indians, are descendants from that Joseph that was sold into Egypt, and that the land of America is a promised land unto them.
 
</blockquote>
 
*It is claimed that this letter was "written by commandment from God."
 
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*The commandment to write the letter was ''not'' to confirm a geographical location for the Book of Mormon. According to B.H. Roberts:
 
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The Prophet states subsequently that he wrote this communication by commandment of the Lord. The general condition of the world as noted by the Prophet at the commencement of this chapter, was doubtless the occasion of the Lord sending forth such a note of warning to the inhabitants of the earth as is here presented. (Joseph Smith, ''History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'', edited by B.H. Roberts, volume 1 (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Company, 1972), 312).
 
</blockquote>
 
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* None
 
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====DVD 3-6:22====
 
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*Joseph's mother said that he "would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent…"
 
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*As noted previously, "this continent," according to the definitions provided in the 1828 Webster's Dictionary, refers to the Western Continent, which includes both North and South America.
 
*See: [[Book of Mormon geography/Definition of "continent"]]
 
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* {{nw}}
 
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====DVD 3-8:46====
 
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*Joseph wrote during Zion's Camp that they were "wandering over the plains of the Nephites"
 
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*[[Book_of_Mormon_geography/Statements/Joseph_Smith|Complete list of Joseph Smith statements]] about Book of Mormon Geography
 
*[[Book of Mormon geography/Statements|Church leader statements]] about Book of Mormon geography
 
*[[Zelph]]
 
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* {{nw}}
 
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====DVD 3-13:11====
 
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*The story of Zelph is claimed to prove that the Northeastern United States was the land of the Nephites.
 
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*[[Book_of_Mormon_geography/Statements/Joseph_Smith|Complete list of Joseph Smith statements]] about Book of Mormon Geography
 
*[[Book of Mormon geography/Statements|Church leader statements]] about Book of Mormon geography
 
*[[Zelph]]
 
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====DVD 3-16:51====
 
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*"Eight different people" are claimed to have said that they saw "wagon loads" of plates in the Hill Cumorah in New York.
 
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*The question is not whether or not Joseph and the others saw a cave, but where that cave was actually located.
 
*The Hill Cumorah in New York is a drumlin, and is not geologically likely to have a cave such as the one described.
 
*[[Archaeology and the Hill Cumorah]]
 
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* None
 
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====DVD 3-17:26====
 
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*Joseph sent missionaries to the Lamanites.
 
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* By Joseph's era, ''all'' Amerindians would have been [[Amerindians_as_Lamanites#All_From_Lehi|descendants of Lehi]].  This does nothing to help define Book of Mormon era geography.
 
*[[Book of Mormon geography/Borders of the Lamanites]]
 
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====DVD 3-21:41====
 
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*Missionaries were sent to the "borders of the Lamanites."
 
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* By Joseph's era, ''all'' Amerindians would have been [[Amerindians_as_Lamanites#All_From_Lehi|descendants of Lehi]].  This does nothing to help define Book of Mormon era geography.
 
*[[Book of Mormon geography/Borders of the Lamanites]]
 
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====DVD 3-30:59====
 
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*In the Bernheizel letter, Joseph states:
 
<blockquote>
 
"I received your kind present by the hand of Elder Wudruff and feel myself under many obligations for this mark of your esteem and friendship, which to me is the more interesting as it unfolds and develops many things that have great importance to this generation and corresponds with and supports the testimony of the Book of Mormon."
 
</blockquote>
 
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*{{SourceDistortion}}
 
*The presenter simply dismisses this statement and claims that Joseph's purpose in writing the letter was to express his friendship with Bernheizel, despite Joseph's praise of a Mesoamerican book and its relationship to the Book of Mormon.
 
*See {{FAIR:Reviews of DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography:Joseph Smith}}
 
*Here is a statement from Joseph Smith that was ''not'' included in the presentation:
 
<blockquote>
 
The stupendous ruins, the elegant sculpture, and the magnificence of '''the ruins of Guatamala''' [Guatemala], and other cities, corroborate this statement, and show that a great and mighty people-men of great minds, clear intellect, bright genius, and comprehensive designs inhabited '''this continent'''. Their ruins speak of their greatness; the Book of Mormen [Mormon} unfolds their history.-ED.{{ref|ts.15July}} {{ea}}
 
</blockquote>
 
*Page 862 of this issue of the Times and Seasons states: "The Times and Seasons, Is edited, printed and published about the first and fifteenth of every month, on the corner of Water and Bain Streets, Nauvoo, Hancock County, Illinois, by JOSEPH SMITH." This statement was signed "ED," which attributes it directly to Joseph Smith.
 
*For more detail, see: [[Book of Mormon geography/Statements/Joseph Smith|Joseph Smith's geographical statements]] about the Book of Mormon.
 
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===Claims made in section 4: Promised Land===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====DVD 4-1:29====
 
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*Missouri is the New Jerusalem.
 
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*This is correct.
 
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====DVD 4-3:05====
 
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*The narrator claims that the New Jerusalem is Zion.
 
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*{{FalseStatement}}: '''What did Joseph Smith have to say about this?''' The narrator attempts to equate Zion ''exclusively'' with the location of the New Jerusalem, but this contradicts the words of Joseph Smith:
 
<blockquote>
 
...speaking of the '''Land of Zion, It consists of all N[orth] & S[outh] America''' but that any place where the Saints gather is Zion which every righteous man will build up for a place of safety for his children...'''The redemption of Zion is the redemption of all N[orth] & S[outh] America.'''" {{ea}} {{ref|coray1}}
 
</blockquote>
 
*Other latter-day prophets have declared that North and South America constitute the land of Zion: see [[Location of Zion]].
 
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*{{s||A+of+F|1|10}}
 
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====DVD 4-2:47====
 
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*Missouri is the only "Land of Promise" in the Western Hemisphere.
 
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*{{FalseStatement}}: The prophets and apostles have clearly stated that Missouri is not the ''only'' land of promise, nor the only area to which Book of Mormon promises apply.
 
*For example, Wilford Woodruff said:
 
<blockquote>
 
'''This land, North and South America''', is the land of Zion; it is a '''choice land-the land that was given by promise''' from old father Jacob to his grandson and his descendants, the land on which the Zion of God should be established in the latter days. {{ea}} {{ref|JoD.15:279}}
 
</blockquote>
 
* See also: [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG04F.html more examples].
 
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*{{s||DC|57|1-3}}
 
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====DVD 4-3:35, IBME====
 
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*The New Jerusalem will be upon "this land," meaning exactly where the Book of Mormon prophet was standing when he made that statement.
 
*The ''Introduction to Book of Mormon Evidences'' seminar offers a strict interpretation of the words "this" and "that" as used in the scriptures. The word "this" is interpreted to mean the very spot upon which the statement is made.
 
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*And how does the narrator know where the Book of Mormon prophet was standing when he made that statement? He simply assumes that Ether was standing in North America, and then uses Ether's own words to "prove" this!
 
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*{{s||Ether|13|6}}
 
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====DVD 4-4:40====
 
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*The Land of Promise is a "choice land," interpreted by the narrator to be "a land where people would choose to live."
 
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*The term "land of promise" refers to whatever land the Lord has granted to His people, and upon which they are commanded to gather.
 
* See also: [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG04F.html more detail].
 
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*{{s|2|Nephi|1|5}}
 
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====DVD 4-5:34====
 
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*The choice land will be lifted up by God above all other nations because God approves of the political system ("nation") on the choice land.
 
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*{{s|1|Nephi|13|30-31}}
 
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====DVD====
 
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*It is claimed that the gentiles mentioned in 1 Nephi 13 are Joseph Smith's ancestors (American colonists) because he brought the book forth.
 
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====DVD====
 
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*Where the Book of Mormon comes forth will be a land of liberty with no kings, fortified against all other nations, and God will be the King of the people of the land.
 
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*{{s|2|Nephi|10|11-14}}
 
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===Claims made in section: Prophesies and Promises===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====DVD 5-4:37====
 
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*It is claimed that the only nation that "fulfills every Book of Mormon requirement to be the promised land" is the United States since it is a "land of liberty" and there would be "no kings" in the land.
 
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====DVD 5-6:01====
 
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*The narrator claims that the city of Zarahemla was provided through revelation and that it was located on the Mississippi River opposite where Nauvoo is located today.
 
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*General authorities have indicated that no one knows the location of Zarahemla.
 
*[[Book of Mormon geography/Location of Zarahemla]]
 
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*{{s||DC|125|3}}
 
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===Claims made in section: Tents, Temples and Teepees===
 
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====DVD 6-1:54====
 
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*The narrator concludes that the Book of Mormon people used tents from the time that Lehi left Jerusalem. According to the narrator, "ancient peoples almost always had tents as a survival strategy" because "they didn't know at that time if the Syrians or the Babylonians or somebody were going to come to call and they might have to leave their permanent structures."
 
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*Actually, Lehi's family could just as easily have had tents if his family traveled as traders.
 
*It is possible that the people had tents because they were often required to go to battle against the Lamanites. Any army would use tents or other temporary structures.
 
* The "tents" mentioned in the Book of Mormon are also likely booths or temporary structures used for the Mosiac festival of ''sukkoth'' (see {{s||Mosiah|2|2-6}}).
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
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* None
 
|-
 
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====DVD 6-2:51====
 
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*In 124 B.C., the people brought tents to listen to King Benjamin's speech. This is used as proof that the people lived in tents.
 
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*According to the Book of Mormon, after he was done speaking, King Benjamin "dismissed the multitude, '''and they returned, every one, according to their families, to their own houses'''." {{s||Mosiah|6|3}} {{ea}}
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
||
 
* {{s||Mosiah|2||}}
 
|-
 
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====DVD 6-3:30-3:44====
 
||
 
*It is claimed that the Lamanites may have lived in tents in order to keep up with the movement of their food supply. The Lamanites are claimed to not have done "much in the way of city building."
 
||
 
*This is used to imply that the Lamanites were nomadic. However, when the sons of Mosiah travel to Lamanite country on their mission (prior to the time of Christ) the Lamanites were clearly living in cities. (This is in contrast to the DVD's claim that "they didn't do much in the way of city building.") From the descriptions of their kings and kings over kings, they were not only cities, but large ones with a complex social organization. There is some evidence for Lamanite nomadic hunting and gathering early in Nephite history ({{s||Enos|1|20}}), but this is not the dominant Lamanite lifestyle through most of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon text disagrees with the presenter's claim that the Lamanites were nomadic throughout most of Nephite history.
 
*According to the Book of Mormon, Lamanites also lived in cities:
 
**"And these are the names of the cities of the Lamanites which were converted unto the Lord; and these are they that laid down the weapons of their rebellion, yea, all their weapons of war; and they were all Lamanites." {{s||Alma|23|13}}
 
**"Now the Lamanites and the Amalekites and the people of Amulon had built a great city, which was called Jerusalem." {{s||Alma|21|2}}
 
* Nomadic peoples can rarely threaten settled, agricultural societies with annihilation, since agricultural societies have higher birth rates, higher population densities, and more surplus food and expertise.
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
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* None
 
|-
 
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====DVD 6-6:20====
 
||
 
*Mesoamerican temples shown in a photo could not be "Nephite temples" because they date to "about 900 years A.D."
 
||
 
*To state that these structures were built "about 900 years A.D." is a gross over-simplification of facts. This statement ignores the complexity of overlapping Mayan cultures. The Maya built new structures on top of older structures. This is one of the reasons why it is so difficult to examine early pre-Classic Mayan structures which ''do'' date to Book of Mormon times.
 
*[[Amerindians as Lamanites/Maya and Olmec]]
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
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* None
 
|-
 
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====DVD 6-6:40====
 
||
 
*The Church produced film "The Testaments" depicts Mayan temples as existing during Nephite times.
 
||
 
*[[Amerindians as Lamanites/Maya and Olmec]]
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
||
 
* None
 
|-
 
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====DVD 6-7:11====
 
||
 
*Mayan temples do not look like Solomon's Temple.
 
||
 
*This is not surprising, since the Nephite's lasted 1000 years after Lehi's departure from Jerusalem. Even if the Maya ''were'' somehow related to the Lamanites, the Lamanite civilization which replaced the Nephite civilization would not have known anything about Solomon's Temple.
 
*[[Amerindians as Lamanites/Maya and Olmec]]
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
||
 
* None
 
 
 
|-
 
|
 
====DVD 6-7:24====
 
||
 
*Mayan temples were used to perform sacrifices, which is not consistent with the use of Solomon's Temple.
 
||
 
*This is not surprising either, since if the Mayans ''were'' related to the Lamanites they would have used their temples in a different manner than the Nephites. The Book of Mormon clearly states that by approximately A.D. 400 that the Lamanites ''were'' performing human sacrifices ({{s||Mormon|4|13-14}}).
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
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* None
 
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====DVD 6-7:24====
 
||
 
*Hopewell (supposedly "Nephite") temples were used for 'proper' purposes, unlike Mayan structures..
 
||
 
* No one knows ''what'' rituals the Hopewell performed in their religious structures.  There are no witnesses, and no written records.  The presenters are simply presuming that their model is correct.
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
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* None
 
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===Claims made in section: Weather and Climate===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====DVD 0:17====
 
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*The narrator claims that ocean currents would have carried Lehi's group to the East Coast of North America.
 
||
 
*The Book of Mormon states that Lehi's ship was driven by the wind: "And it came to pass after we had all gone down into the ship, and had taken with us our provisions and things which had been commanded us, we did put forth into the sea and were '''driven forth before the wind towards the promised land'''." ({{s|1|Nephi|18|8}}) {{ea}}
 
*The Book of Mormon states that the Nephite's land of first inheritance was near the western seashore: "...in the land of Nephi; yea, and also on the west of the land of Zarahemla, in the borders by the seashore, and '''on the west in the land of Nephi, in the place of their fathers’ first inheritance, and thus bordering along by the seashore'''." ({{s||Alma|22|28}}) {{ea}}
 
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* None
 
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====DVD 1:56====
 
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*The narrator claims that the only two seasons in Mesoamerica are "hot" and "really hot," and that this does not support the statement in Alma 46:40 that refers to "some seasons of the year."
 
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*{{FalseStatement}}: Countries nearer the equator experience "dry seasons" and "wet seasons."
 
*The temperature in the Guatemalan highlands (where Mesoamerican supporters believe Lehi's party settled) is actually very temperate, with daytime temperatures of 75 to 80 degrees Farenheit.
 
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* None
 
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====DVD 7:18====
 
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*The narrator defines "whirlwind" as a tornado and a "tempest" as a hurricane. The narrator states that "Central America, the location where the Book of Mormon was supposed to have happened has never had a single recorded tornado."
 
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*{{FalseStatement}}
 
*A hurricane is also a whirlwind.
 
*A tempest is typically a storm of any type.
 
*Tornadoes do occur in Mesoamerica. See:
 
**[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCOl5pqFWWA Tornado Guatemala august 29, 2007]
 
**[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8z40dwQujw Tornado en Guatemala]
 
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*{{s||Alma|46|40}}
 
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===Claims made in section: Buffalo Evidence===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====DVD 2:31====
 
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*The narrator uses the reference in Alma 22:31 to "wild beasts" which had "come from that land northward looking for food" and claims that these are buffalo.
 
*Ether 9:34 states that "the people did follow the course of the beasts, and did devour the carcasses of them which fell by the way." This is used by the narrator to support the claim that the Lamanites were a migratory people who were following the buffalo.
 
||
 
*Looking at Ether 9:30-31, we can see the context in order to understand ''why'' the animals were moving:
 
<blockquote>
 
And it came to pass that '''there began to be a great dearth upon the land''', and the inhabitants began to be destroyed exceedingly fast because of the dearth, for there was no rain upon the face of the earth. And there came forth poisonous serpents also upon the face of the land, and did poison many people. And it came to pass that '''their flocks began to flee''' before the poisonous serpents, towards the land southward, which was called by the Nephites Zarahemla. ({{s||Ether|9|30-31}}) {{ea}}
 
</blockquote>
 
*This is not a migration due to seasons: It is a movement of animals and people as the result of a drought.
 
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*{{s||Alma|22|31}}
 
*{{s||Ether|9|30-31}}
 
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====DVD 6:05====
 
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*The narrator claims that the bones of 60 million buffalo disintegrated on the plains, and therefore it is reasonable to expect the bones of the Nephites to have disintegrated as well.
 
||
 
*{{FalseStatement}}: The bones of the buffalo aren't on the plains because they were worth money—they were gathered up, packed into boxcars, and shipped to the east for use in industrial processes and agriculture on a vast scale.
 
* The DVD miscites its source: estimates for the number of buffalo are actually less than ''thirty'' million, not sixty.
 
* See: [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG07F.html buffalo claims].
 
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* None
 
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===Claims made in section: Chronological Evidence===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====DVD 0:40====
 
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*The narrator points out that in the Book of Mormon only two cities are mentioned up until about 100 years before Christ, after which many cities are mentioned. This is offered as proof that the Nephites did not expand significantly prior to 100 B.C.
 
||
 
*The Book of Mormon only includes Nephi's record up until approximately 150 years before Christ. After that point, Mormon's original abridgment takes over.
 
*{{s||Jarom|1|7}} indicated that there were a number of cities by 399 B.C.:
 
<blockquote>
 
"...we withstood the Lamanites and swept them away out of our lands, and began to fortify '''our cities''', or whatsoever place of our inheritance."</blockquote>
 
* The small plates of Nephi (1 Nephi to Omni) were a religious, not secular record ({{s||Jacob|1|2-4}})&mdash;so, it is not surprising that less information on geography is available in them.
 
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* {{nw}}
 
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====DVD 2:38====
 
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*The narrator notes that the "narrow neck" of land is not mentioned until 90 B.C., and that this indicates that the Nephites major expansion did not occur until that time.
 
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*There is no correlation that can be made between the first mention of a geographic feature, and the expansion of the Nephites.
 
* The small plates of Nephi (1 Nephi to Omni) were a religious, not secular record ({{s||Jacob|1|2-4}})&mdash;so, it is not surprising that less information on geography is available in them.
 
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* {{nw}}
 
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====DVD 3:27====
 
||
 
*The narrator assumes that the Hopewell culture is Nephite because of the timeframe of 100 B.C. to 400 A.D.
 
||
 
*{{s||Jarom|1|8}} indicates that the people "multiplied exceedingly and spread upon the face of the land" 400 years ''before'' Christ, 300 years prior to the timeframe proposed by the narrator.
 
* The Hopewell spread north to south; the Nephites spread south to north, the opposite direction.
 
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* {{nw}}
 
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===Claims made in section: Nephite Defenses===
 
{{BeginClaimsTable}}
 
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====DVD 2:41====
 
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*The DVD presents Hopewell fortifications as evidence that the Hopewell were Nephites. The DVD presentation notes that the presence of defensive structures such as earthen ditches with a stockade on top in Hopewell structures.
 
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* The DVD only cites examples consistent with the Heartland model. While such examples do exist, they ultimately provide little support for the LNAM because the structures are not unique to the Hopewell.  They are found throughout the world.
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG05F.html FAIR Review Section 5: Identifying the Nephites]
 
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* None
 
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===Claims made in section: Nephite Structures===
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====DVD====
 
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*The DVD claims that Mesoamerican cities are primarily built of stone.
 
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*This indicates a misunderstanding of the extant knowledge about Mesoamerica. There are certainly impressive stone cities and ruins in Mesoamerica, but it is a mistake to conclude that these made up the whole city. Regional centers tended to have a core of buildings made of more durable materials, such as brick, stone, and earth. Most of the rest of the city was made of wood and mud ("waddle and daub") construction.
 
*For example, although the Church produced video "The Testaments" places the Book of Mormon in a Mesoamerican setting, one notes that the houses being lived in are made of wood. It is also important to note that many of the iconic Mesoamerican stone ruins date to ''after'' the Book of Mormon period, despite the unfortunate tendency of some graphic designers and movie makers to use images of these cities as if they were Nephite.
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG09F.html FAIR Review Section 9: Nephite Structures]
 
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* None
 
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====DVD====
 
||
 
*The DVD claims that stone structures cannot be burned.
 
||
 
*Stone buildings and cities can and do burn. A stone city is not only made of stone. There are many other materials within buildings, used as part of the structures' construction and furnishings. Once fires are started, masonry can become unstable and stones can shatter from the heat, leading to further destabilization of the building. A modern day example is when arsonists burned the Nauvoo Temple. The temple was constructed of stone, yet is was destroyed by fire just the same. What was left after the fire became unstable and collapsed during a tornado. Clearly, a stone building is not immune to fire.
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG09F.html FAIR Review Section 9: Nephite Structures]
 
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* None
 
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====DVD====
 
||
 
*The narrator claims that "if we're looking for temples made out of stone, then we're looking for the wrong kind of temples. Because these temples were made from timber."
 
||
 
*The narrator bases this assumption on Helaman 3:9.
 
<blockquote>
 
And the people who were in the land northward did dwell in tents, and in houses of cement, and they did suffer whatsoever tree should spring up upon the face of the land that it should grow up, that in time they might have timber to build their houses, yea, their cities, and their temples, and their synagogues, and their sanctuaries, and all manner of their buildings.
 
</blockquote>
 
*It should be noted that the people described in this verse do not represent all of the Nephites&mdash;only those who moved north.
 
*Scholars supporting the Mesoamerican location do ''not'' insist that temples must have been made from stone.
 
* [http://www.fairlds.org/DNA_Evidence_for_Book_of_Mormon_Geography/DEBMG09F.html FAIR Review Section 9: Nephite Structures]
 
||
 
*{{s||Helaman|3|9}}
 
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==Endnotes==
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[[pt:O Livro de Mórmon/Geografia/Modelos/Limitada/Meldrum 2003]]
#{{note|ts.15July}} {{TS1|author=Joseph Smith (editor)|article=American Antiquities|vol=3|num=18|date=15 July 1842|start=860}}
 
<!-- Section 4 -->
 
#{{note|coray1}}Martha Jane Knowlton Coray, [edited by Dean C. Jessee], "Joseph Smith's July 19, 1840 Discourse," Brigham Young University Studies 19/ 3 (Spring 1979): 392.
 
#{{note|JoD.15:279}}{{JDwiki|author=Wilford Woodruff|url=http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_15/The_Signs_of_the_Coming_of_the_Son_of_Man,_etc.|vol=15|pages=279}}
 
<!-- Section 5 -->
 
#{{note|ivins1}}Anthony W. Ivins, Conference Report (April 1929): 16.
 

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Heartland Model of Book of Mormon geography


Question: What is the Heartland Model of Book of Mormon geography

This geography was originally based on a DVD presentation produced by Rodney Meldrum

Model Name Date Proposed Scope Narrow Neck Land North Land South Cumorah River Sidon Nephi's Landing Religion Type of model

Model name: Meldrum 2003

Date proposed: 2003?
Scope: LGT
Narrow neck: Niagara Peninsula
Land north: Upper Canada
Land south: Mississippi river system to Gulf of Mexico
Cumorah: New York
Sidon: Mississippi
Landing: Gulf of Mexico
Religion: LDS
Type: External

This geography was originally based on a DVD presentation (which is in turn based on fireside presentations) produced by Rodney (Rod) Meldrum: Rodney Meldrum, DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography: New scientific support for the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon; Correlation and Verification through DNA, Prophetic, Scriptural, Historical, Climatological, Archaeological, Social, and Cultural Evidence (Rodney Meldrum, 2007), mail-order DVD. ( Index of claims ).

Other works and sources include:

  • Bruce H. Porter and Rod L. Meldrum, Prophecies and Promises: The Book of Mormon & The United States of America (Salt Lake City, UT: Digital Legend, 2009), 1–.
  • Rod Meldrum, Rediscovering the Book of Mormon Remnant through DNA (Honeoye Falls, NY: Digital Legend Press, 2009), 1–.
  • The FIRM Foundation
  • LDSPromisedLand.com [this company was formed by Meldrum, Bruce Porter, Wayne May, and LDS Travel president Brian Mickelsen. The company was sold in 2012]. Despite being president of this group for a time, Meldrum opted to conduct his own seminars in competition with this group because of financial reasons. According to Bruce Porter:
(Meldrum) felt that he needed to pull away from that company [ldspromisedland.com] because he could make more money doing it on his own. And that was a business decision that he made…. but it's what Rod does for a living, and everybody has a right to earn a living.[1]


Mark Alan Wright: "The core locations and events detailed in the text of the Book of Mormon took place in Mesoamerica, but many Nephites and Lamanites migrated and established settlements far northward"

Mark Alan Wright,

My basic thesis is this: The core locations and events detailed in the text of the Book of Mormon took place in Mesoamerica, but many Nephites and Lamanites migrated and established settlements far northward of the core area and are thus simply outside the scope of the text. I am certainly not the first to make this argument or note the significance of this northward migration, but from countless conversations I have had about Book of Mormon geography over the past few years I have found that many people are unfamiliar with the ideas. —(Click here to continue) [2]


Question: Did LDS scholar Hugh Nibley support the "Heartland model" of Book of Mormon geography?

Heartland advocates often cite Nibley selectively, and do not provide a full inventory of his statements

Advocates of the "Heartland" geographical model claim that LDS scholar Hugh Nibley supported their view. Heartland advocates often cite Nibley selectively, and do not provide a full inventory of his statements. Nibley's writings suggest that he was partial to a Mesoamerican model, with later infiltration of some ideas northward. For example, in his 1946 reply to Fawn Brodie, Nibley rejected the idea that the moundbuilders of the eastern United States—used by the Heartland theory as evidence of Book of Mormon geography--had anything to do with the Book of Mormon:

"The Moundbuilders actually resemble the Book of Mormon people not at all. Who said they did? The Book of Mormon tells of a people ages removed from the Mound-builders and very far away." [3]

He would later say:

"All this took place in Central America, the perennial arena of the Big People versus the Little People."[4]

Whether Nibley agrees with an idea does not mean that it is true or false—each idea must be evaluated by the strength of the evidence. In this case, however, Heartland advocates attempt to trade on Nibley's prestige and authority to reinforce their position, by giving the false impression that he agrees with him.

This is not honest scholarship.

Nibley repeatedly mentioned a variety of geographical theories, including Central America

  • "Book of Mormon geography is a waste of time. I wouldn't touch it with a forty-foot pole. Never have; it's not necessary."[5]
  • "What of the mighty ruins of Central America? It is for those who know them to speak of them... It is our conviction that proof of the Book of Mormon does lie in Central America."[6]
  • “Write on anything you want, because that is where you give yourself away. Joseph Smith could write anything at all; no one knew about Central America in those times long ago.”[7]
  • “For example, the book describes in considerable detail what is supposed to be a major earthquake somewhere in Central America, and another time it sets forth the particulars of ancient olive culture. Here are things we can check up on; but to do so we must go to sources made available by scholars long since the days of Joseph Smith. Where he could have learned all about major Central American earthquakes or the fine points of Mediterranean olive culture remains a question.”[8]
  • In the summer of 1971, Hugh traveled to Mexico and Guatemala. He wrote about his trip in his article. In his article, he alludes to Teotihuacan outside Mexico City as one of the great temple centers of antiquity and describes the imposing architecture of El Castillo and El Caracol at Chichen Itza. Nibley then summarizes by saying, “The great monuments do not represent what the Nephites stood for; rather, they stand for what their descendants, ‘mixed with the blood of their brethren,’ descended to.”[9]
  • Kirk Magleby wrote: "My last visit with Hugh was with Jack Welch [of FARMS] in 2003. We met in the Nibley home on Seventh North in Provo. We talked about the many trips Hugh had made to the Hopi villages in northern Arizona. He reiterated his belief that the Book of Mormon took place in Mesoamerica with echoes and remnants filtering up into the native cultures of the continental United States."[10]
  • “Hopewell cultural centers “are now believed to be definitely related to corresponding centers in Mesoamerica.”[9]
  • Nibley states that evidence is “more hospitable ... to the activities on one tragically short lived religious civilization that once flourished in Mesoamerica and then vanished towards the Northeast in the course of a series of confused tribal wars that was one long, drawn out retreat into oblivion.”[11]
  • "John Sorenson's book 'Images of America' must remain the indispensable handbook for students of the Book of Mormon. The only book of its kind — enlightening and convincing. Who else will ever bring such diligence, knowledge and honesty to the task?"[12]


Question: Are theories that do not agree with the Heartland model "apostate?"

The originator of the Heartland model believes that other models are "apostate"

The author of the Heartland model and theory claims that "I do not claim to know that this proposed theory is true, nor is any claim made that it has been received by revelation." [13]

The author indicated, upon learning of Daniel Peterson's firing from the Maxwell Institute, that he believed that this represented a purging of "apostate" theories of Book of Mormon geography: [14]

I am so thankful that BYU has purged apostate theories from the MI!

It is thus clear that the author regards anyone who differs from his "revealed" theory as apostate. Peterson pointed out that his conclusion was, in any case, in error: the Maxwell Institute was then preparing to publish John Sorenson's work on the Mesoamerican geographical model.

"it was clear that I was going to have to leave [my job] to work on these projects full time, but I wanted more of a 'sign' from the Lord"

There are, however, multiple other indications of the author's attitude toward those who differ with him. [15]

The author sent an e-mail on 9 May 2008 in which he invited those who had purchased his DVD to become members of his FIRM Foundation. This communiqué strikes quite a different tone:

After fasting and praying about it with my family, and after reading my patriarchal blessing, . . . it was clear that I was going to have to leave [my job] to work on these projects full time, but I wanted more of a 'sign' from the Lord. So I had three big projects about to close with [my job], and I told the Lord that if he wants me to make this project my #1 priority to please cause that none of these jobs go through. . . . Well, within three days all three of the jobs were either terminated by the client, lost to another company, or delayed until next year! So on Monday, April 21st, I put in my two weeks notice and began my new life working full-time on this project. [16]

This reply was reportedly received from a patriarchal blessing, fasting, and prayer. The author then seeks a sign from God and gets it. Yet he argues that we are unjustified in concluding that this account strongly implies that God supports or agrees with what he is doing. Why would God give him a sign to spread a false theory about the Book of Mormon full-time? And why would he tell others about his sign-seeking unless he wants to influence them? Why would such divine instruction come to him and not to the president of the Church?

Recipients were then told about a blessing that he had requested from an emeritus General Authority, "my dear friend":

[My wife] and I had the most incredible and special experience as we met with [him]. . . . [We were given] the most incredible blessing[s] imaginable. They were incredibly powerful and caused both [my wife] and I to no longer doubt the validity of work in which we are engaged.

There is no doubt in the authors' minds about the validity of what they are doing. This again seems a claim of certainty for the theory the author is teaching full-time—or it is an attempt to exaggerate his importance so that others will support him. The reported blessing goes on to promise fruit from his efforts:

The only thing I can share from the blessings is that the overall understanding is that this information will go out to "millions" who will be touched by the work, and that this will "embolden" the saints to open their mouths and declare anew the truthfulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ so that millions will find and enter his kingdom! The spirit was overwhelmingly wonderful and we felt so blessed to have that privilege.

So this theory will inspire millions, and millions will convert and be saved...are we to conclude that God would use a false or uncertain theory for such lofty purposes?

So this theory will inspire millions, and millions will convert and be saved. And other matters are alluded to that the recipients cannot yet know. One must ask, are we to conclude that God would use a false or uncertain theory for such lofty purposes?

The same theme continues on the FIRM Foundation Web site. [17] For example, a spiritual witness of the author's theories is asserted:

  • "It is nice to hear opinions that can be confirmed by the Holy Ghost."
  • "Several people have stated that this is an answer to prayer because of weak testimonies and questions that some Bishops & Stake Presidents can't answer—this will assist them. The children are asking questions and this should give answers."
  • "We have never been to the Hill Cumorah that is in Central America, but the Spirit tells us that the one [in New York] is the Hill Cumorah, or Ramah spoken of by the Prophet Joseph Smith."
  • "You have done a masterful job, we know that what you have uncovered is right."

The Web site likewise repeats the theme of certainty and proof:

  • "Like so many other things science has again proved that Joseph Smith is a prophet and did know what he talked about."
  • "I have felt in the past that the location of the lands of the Book of Mormon was controversial and now feel that the controversy is now over."
  • "This must find a way to the general public because of its authenticity and direct correlation with truth."
  • "It is so nice to see modern science prove out the gospel."
  • "How exciting that there are so many irrefutable evidences! Thank you so much for this gift of knowledge!"
  • "There is a certain satisfaction knowing that the words of the Lord are verified by the scientific community, whether they intended to do so or not."
  • "The stable blend of reason and revelation that will one day be acknowledged by all as the unshakable foundation upon which all truth is based . . ."
  • "Surely you are following Joseph's counsel to 'waste and wear out your life bringing to light' facts that have not been evident before some of today's newer scientific procedures have made such methods of proof possible."

Clearly, the author's theory is repeatedly described as having "proved" Joseph's prophetic status, it is "irrefutable," and it is an "unshakable foundation upon which all truth is based." If Meldrum disagrees with such enthusiasm, why does he use it to sell his materials?

So, why should we believe his book's disclaimer when the evidence for what is really going on is all over his other writings and Web site?

Several grandiose claims are also made:

  • "This is a major turning point in LDS and Book of Mormon history. It's hard to express the importance of these discoveries."
  • "These are amazing and powerful break-'with' findings that need to become more and more accessible to thousands if not millions of people."
  • "It's a relief to see someone take on the DNA argument against the Book of Mormon. I think people like you will be critically important to defending the Mormon faith against attacks by outsiders."
  • "I can't even sleep! I know in my heart that you are on to something very significant."

Such over-the-top praise seems unlikely to be instigated—much less publicized—by someone offering his audience a cautious theory. Note too the recurrence of the same theme that the author emphasized from his purported General Authority blessing: his work must affect thousands or millions.

Further revelation claims: The author announced that God had revealed the name of the foundation and how other aspects of its work should be conducted

The author's May 2008 e-mail announced that God had revealed the name of the foundation and how other aspects of its work should be conducted:

  • "I have pondered and prayed about a name for this organization and the name that was received is 'Foundation for Indigenous Research and Mormonism' and it will be called 'The FIRM Foundation.'"
  • "Within 48 hours the Lord provided the answer to how this was to be accomplished."
  • "Within 48 hours again the Lord provided another 'miracle.'"
  • "Right then he was prompted and he said 'We can make it into a research lab/facility to study these artifacts!' So the Lord is watching out for this project!"

The testimonials also claim that the author has been called by God to spread his theory:

  • "What you are being called to do is so much more, it's world wide and effects millions of people."
  • "How exciting to be able to talk to the very person who is behind such a great work. I felt so blessed when I hung up the phone and so thankful that the Lord has guided you through this sacred project. For now we will put out the word and pray daily that this will bring millions to the gospel."
  • "You have your work cut out for you. However, because it is true, you will definitely and infinitely find a guiding hand of assistance."
  • "All I can say is WOW!!! . . . How does it feel to be such a marvellous instrument in the Lord's hands? I am so impressed on so many levels and to think I actually know you."
  • "I am grateful to you for staying close to the Lord."
  • "I certainly enjoyed the insights you offered on the Almighty's pouring down knowledge from Heaven on the heads of honestly seeking Later-day Saints. . . . We love you for your noble efforts to be an instrument in the Lord's hand, and are praying for the Spirit to continue guiding you in such an important undertaking."

The author is "called" to be "an instrument in the Lord's hand," the "Spirit [is] guiding" him, he will bring "millions" to the truth, and it is an honor just to speak to him. Meldrum has no hesitation about publicizing "their words" so they "will touch the lives of others in positive ways."

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Heartland Model of Book of Mormon geography


Heartland Model of Book of Mormon geography

Question: What is the Bat Creek Stone and is it related to Mormonism?

Book of Mormon Central, KnoWhy #493: Why Should Latter-day Saints Beware Fraudulent Artifacts? (Video)

The Bat Creek Stone is an artifact excavated in 1889 by the Smithsonian Institution: It is considered to be a forgery

A forged item can tell us nothing about ancient America in general, or the Book of Mormon in particular. Any current source that uses the Bat Creek Stone as evidence should be treated with caution; its author(s) are not using the most up-to-date information. At the very least, it is premature to rely on the Bat Creek Stone as evidence of anything related to ancient America.

Figure 1: The Bat Creek stone, from the original publication.

The Bat Creek Stone is an artifact excavated in 1889 by the Smithsonian Institution [see Figure 1], and was also found with brass bracelets.

The stone was described in a 1894 publication by the same group. [18] The author of the report, Cyrus Thomas, claimed that the marks were Cherokee. A review of Thomas' subsequent publications demonstrates that he likely concluded that the items were forged, but he did not make a more public point of this because he and the Smithsonian "had placed themselves in a position such that they really could not afford to pronounce the Bat Creek stone a forgery after publishing it." [19]

After Thomas, little attention was paid to the Bat Creek stone until 1970--as noted above, Thomas had probably recognized that it was fraudulent by 1898. In 1970, Cyrus Gordon of Brandeis university argued that the stone had been oriented improperly in the original publication. [20] If it was inverted, Gordon claimed, it became clear that the text was Paleo-Hebrew, and read "for the Jews." [21] Other scholars joined the debate, and the positions are well summarized by Mainfort and Kwas:

Figure 2: Purported source of the Bat Creek stone inscription; from Mainfort and Kwas p. 765.
As of 1993/94, the opinions of the principals in the debate may be summarized as follows. Cyrus Gordon was the earliest credible proponent of the Bat Creek stone as an authentic Paleo-Hebrew inscription, though he acknowledged “problems” with three of the inscribed characters. Frank Moore Cross and Kyle McCarter pointed out additional paleographic difficulties and argued that too many of the characters were problematic for the inscription to be authentic. Huston McCulloch considered all of the inscribed characters to be legitimate Paleo-Hebrew (but disagreeing with Gordon about three of them) and presented radiocarbon evidence supporting an age for the stone in the first several centuries A.D. Finally, Mainfort and Kwas(1991, 1993a,1 993b) questioned the veracity of the find itself and presented evidence suggesting that Cyrus Thomas and his contemporaries recognized the Bat Creek stone as a fraud by the end of the nineteenth century. [22]

The case for forgery was strengthened in 2004

Although there were questions about the Bat Creek stone's origins, these were strengthened by a 2004 paper by Mainfort and Kwas. In it, they demonstrate that the text for the stone was copied from an 1870 book on Freemasonry: Robert Macoy, General History, Cyclopedia, and Dictionary of Freemasonry (New York, Masonic Publishing Co., 1870), 169. [See Figure 2.] The Masonic use of the inscription comes from a Jewish coin, reading "Holiness to the Lord," or "Holy to Yahweh." [23]

The man who discovered the Bat Creek Stone did so alone, and was not a professional archaeologist in the modern sense. He also seems to have "discovered" other artifacts that are clearly forgeries. [24] His problems with alcohol led to him being fired for a period; political pressure was necessary for him to regain his job, and his forgery may have been motivated by a desire to ensure his continued employment. [25] Others have argued that the evidence is not as air-tight as these authors believe. [26]

The Bat Creek Stone was also found with two bracelets, but these were dated to the eighteenth or nineteenth century

The Bat Creek Stone was also found with two bracelets, but these were dated to the eighteenth or nineteenth century. [27] This heightens the evidence of fraud still further.

McCulloch has replied to this analysis, arguing that the characteristics of the stone itself suggest many years of weathering, and argues that the inscription is not identical to the Masonic encyclopedia. [28]

Learn more about forgeries related to the Church: the Bat Creek Stone
FAIR links
  • FAIR, "Reviews of DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography" FAIR link
Online
  • Brant Gradner, "This Idea: The This Land Series and the U.S.-Centric Reading of the Book of Mormon (A Review of This Land: Zarahemla and the Nephite Nation; This Land: Only One Cumorah!; and This Land: They Came from the East by Edwin G. Goble and Wayne N. May; Wayne N. May; and Wayne N. May)," FARMS Review 20/2 (2008). [141–162] link
  • Diane E. Wirth, "'The Bearded, White God Is Everywhere—or Is He? (Review of Fair Gods and Feathered Serpents: A Search for the Early Americas' Bearded White God)'," FARMS Review 12/1 (2000). [9–22] link
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  1. Michael De Groote, "Mormon geography conferences to compete this weekend," Deseret News (29 March 2010) off-site
  2. Mark Alan Wright, "Heartland as Hinterland: The Mesoamerican Core and North American Periphery of Book of Mormon Geography," Proceedings of the 2013 FAIR Conference (August 2013)
  3. Hugh W. Nibley, Tinkling Cymbals and Sounding Brass: The Art of Telling Tales About Joseph Smith and Brigham Young (Vol. 11 of the Collected Works of Hugh Nibley), edited by David J. Whittaker, (Salt Lake City, Utah : Deseret Book Company ; Provo, Utah : Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1991), "No Ma'am, That's Not History. ISBN 0875795161. GL direct link
  4. BYU Commencement Ceremony, 19 August 1983; cited in Hugh Nibley, "Leaders to Managers: The Fatal Shift," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 16 no. 4 (Winter 1983), 12-21.
  5. Hugh W. Nibley, "Lecture 18: 2 Nephi 3-8," in Teachings of the Book of Mormon: Transcripts of lectures presented to an Honors Book of Mormon Class at Brigham Young University 1988-1990, Vol. 1, (Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1993). ISBN 1591565715.
  6. Hugh W. Nibley, An Approach to the Book of Mormon, 3rd edition, (Vol. 6 of the Collected Works of Hugh Nibley), edited by John W. Welch, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book Company; Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1988), 378.
  7. Hugh Nibley, The Prophetic Book of Mormon (Provo, UT: FARMS, 1989), 236.
  8. Hugh W. Nibley, Since Cumorah, 2nd edition, (Vol. 7 of the Collected Works of Hugh Nibley), edited by John W. Welch, (Salt Lake City, Utah : Deseret Book Company ; Provo, Utah : Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1988), 231. ISBN 0875791395.
  9. 9.0 9.1 Hugh Nibley, "Ancient Temples: What Do They Signify?," Ensign (September 1972).
  10. [citation needed]
  11. Hugh W. Nibley, Nibley on the Timely and Timeless (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book Company; 1978), 150.
  12. Nibley to John Sorenson, 14 January 1999).
  13. Rod Meldrum, Rediscovering the Book of Mormon Remnant through DNA (Honeoye Falls, NY: Digital Legend Press, 2009), 5.
  14. Rod Meldrum, post on Daniel C. Peterson Patheos blog (19 November 2012, 11:45 a.m.).
  15. This page's original text was based in part on Gregory L. Smith, "Often in Error, Seldom in Doubt: Rod Meldrum and Book of Mormon DNA (A review of "Rediscovering the Book of Mormon Remnant through DNA" by: Rod L. Meldrum)," FARMS Review 22/1 (2010): 17–161. off-site wiki
  16. Rodney Meldrum, "Update, and request to serve on the FIRM FOUNDATION Counsel?" promotional e-mail, 9 May 2008.
  17. "Testimonials," www.bookofmormonevidence.org/testimony.php (accessed 24 March 2010); emphasis added, spelling and grammar unaltered.
  18. Cyrus Thomas, Report on the Mound Explorations of the Bureau of Ethnology Twelfth Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology for the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-‘91 (Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C.), 394.
  19. Robert C. Mainfort, Jr. and Mary L. Kwas, "The Bat Creek Stone Revisited: A Fraud Exposed," American Antiquity 69/4 (2004): 762-763.
  20. Cyrus H. Gordon, "New Directions in the Study of Ancient Middle Eastern Cultures," Bulletin of the Middle Eastern Cultural Center 5 (1991): 62. See Gordon's argument in an LDS publication: Cyrus H. Gordon, "A Hebrew Inscription Authenticated," in By Study and Also by Faith: Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, 27 March 1990, ed. John M. Lundquist and Stephen D. Ricks (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book and FARMS, 1990), 1:67-80. ISBN 0875793398. Vol. 1 off-site Vol. 2 off-site
  21. Mainfort and Kwas, 762-763.
  22. Mainfort and Kwas, 764.
  23. Mainfort and Kwas, 765.
  24. Stephen Williams, "Fantastic Archaeology: Another Road Taken by Some," Paper presented to the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Boston, Massachusetts, 1993 as cited by Mainfort and Kwas, 765.
  25. Mainfort and Kwas, 765-766.
  26. His reply was rejected for publication in American Antiquity where the original debate took place. It is available on-line in PDF.
  27. Mainfort and Kwas, 766. The authors cite their own previous work, Robert C. Mainfort Jr. and Mary L. Kwas, "The Bat Creek Stone: Judeans in Tennessee?" Tennessee Anthropologist 16/1 (Spring 1991): 1-19. For the reply, see J. Huston McCulloch, "The Bat Creek Stone: A Reply to Mainfort and Kwas," Tennessee Anthropologist 18/1 (Spring 1993): 1-26.
  28. J. Huston McCulloch, "The Bat Creek Stone," on-line posting, December 2005. His reply was rejected for publication in American Antiquity where the original debate took place. It is available on-line in PDF.

Heartland Model of Book of Mormon geography

Question: What are the Burrows Cave artifacts and are they related to the Church or the Book of Mormon?

Book of Mormon Central, KnoWhy #493: Why Should Latter-day Saints Beware Fraudulent Artifacts? (Video)

The Burrows Cave collection is a group of "artifacts" supposedly found in a cave in Illinois - These items are considered to be a hoax

The Burrows Cave collection is a group of "artifacts" supposedly found in a cave in Illinois, named after Russell Burrows, the person who initially found the cave. To this day, Burrows Cave enthusiasts have never demonstrated the existence of the cave. The artifacts contain many obvious hallmarks of modern manufacture, including the so-called "mystic symbol" found on artifacts in the Michigan artifacts collection. This is offered as evidence that the hoaxers deliberately meant to associate these artifacts with the Michigan collection. Some LDS people have fallen prey to those who push these artifacts as genuine.

There are no known caves in the proper area of Illinois--the geology isn't right

As one author notes, there are no known caves in the proper area of Illinois--the geology isn't right:

In the May 2012 issue of Public Archaeology, Joseph Wilson, a University of New Haven anthropologist, describes it as a phantasmagorical cave in southern Illinois that contains “life-sized solid-gold statues and a series of gigantic black stone statues in Egyptian and Carthaginian dress, solid gold sarcophagi and coffins containing mummies, stone sarcophagi, pagan idols, arsenals of bronze weapons, suits of armor ...” It goes on, but you get the idea.

Why haven’t you read about this amazing discovery in National Geographic? Burrows Cave has been largely ignored by archaeologists because there is no evidence to back up any of the extravagant claims made about the site.

In fact, Wilson observes that “there is no geological evidence of any caves” in that part of Illinois. Not surprisingly, the guy who claims to have discovered Burrows Cave has never allowed anyone else to see it. [1]

If we cannot confirm that a cave exists, and experts cannot even visit the cave, we ought to put no trust in its claims until they can be publicly demonstrated.

The Burrows Cave claims and artifacts should not be used as evidence of the Book of Mormon's account

Tablets that reportedly come from the cave are also not plausible:

Wilson says that thousands of inscribed stone tablets that were supposedly taken from the cave have been sold to “hopeful collectors and sympathetic research institutions such as the Midwestern Epigraphic Society in Ohio.”

Wilson says the tablets are obvious fakes. They include a weird mix of styles representing cultures separated by thousands of years. For example, one tablet has an image of an apparently Phoenician ship that is a carelessly copied, ridiculous mash up of two entirely different kinds of vessel — one end is the front of a warship with a ram, and the other is the front of a merchant ship with a carved animal-head at the prow. [2]

The Burrows Cave claims and artifacts should not be used as evidence of the Book of Mormon's account or of other aspects of ancient history.

Learn more about forgeries related to the Church: the Burrows Cave artifacts
FAIR links
  • FAIR, "Reviews of DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography" FAIR link
Online
  • Brant Gradner, "This Idea: The This Land Series and the U.S.-Centric Reading of the Book of Mormon (A Review of This Land: Zarahemla and the Nephite Nation; This Land: Only One Cumorah!; and This Land: They Came from the East by Edwin G. Goble and Wayne N. May; Wayne N. May; and Wayne N. May)," FARMS Review 20/2 (2008). [141–162] link
  • Diane E. Wirth, "'The Bearded, White God Is Everywhere—or Is He? (Review of Fair Gods and Feathered Serpents: A Search for the Early Americas' Bearded White God)'," FARMS Review 12/1 (2000). [9–22] link
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  1. Bradley T. Lepper, Archaeology: Magic caves in Illinois and other archaeological myths, The Columbus Dispatch (4 March 2013).
  2. Lepper, "Magic caves"

Question: Are the Michigan Artifacts evidence for the Book of Mormon?

The "Michigan Artifacts" or "Michigan relics" are a group of "artifacts" produced by hoaxers in the late 19th century: They do not provide any evidence for the Book of Mormon

The "Michigan Artifacts" or "Michigan relics" are a group of "artifacts" produced by hoaxers in the late 19th century and around the turn of the 20th Century from Michigan. They wanted to produce "proof" of the existence of the ancient civilization known in 19th century lore as the Mound Builders. Many contain scenes from biblical stories. Some LDS members have been misled into believing that the artifacts are genuine. Not surprisingly, advocates of the Michigan artifacts also push the Burrows Cave collection.

Both LDS and non-LDS scholars have repeatedly demonstrated the fraudulent nature of the Michigan artifacts

Both LDS and non-LDS scholars have repeatedly demonstrated the fraudulent nature of the Michigan artifacts. [1] Among the first to do so was James E. Talmage, a trained scientist who met some of the forgers, demonstrated evidence of the forgeries, and preserved accounts of these things in his journal. [2] Talmage recorded that the stepdaughter of the man who discovered the relics:

...solemnly declared to me that she positively knows her step-father, James Scotford, has made, buried, and dug up many of the articles reported to be genuine archaeological relics. She gave circumstantial details, and agreed to sign a written statement with the proviso that such statement shall not be made public without her consent during the lifetime of her mother, Mrs. Jas. Scotford. [3]

Also, in August of 1911, Elder Talmage published a document containing his evidence called "The 'Michigan Relics': A Story of Forgery and Deception."

A more recent assessment of the Michigan artifacts was performed by LDS scientist Richard Stamps, and reported in BYU Studies. [4]

A separate line of evidence likewise demonstrates the the Michigan artifacts are of recent date. As one archaeologist explained:

...Thom Bell, a documentary filmmaker with access to some of these artifacts, submitted one of the clay tablets to the Luminescence Dating Laboratory at California State University, Long Beach.

Luminescence dating is a relatively new technique that can be applied to materials including sediment and ceramics. The method is based on the principle that charged particles, created by cosmic ray bombardment or the radioactive decay of certain elements in rocks and the soil, might become trapped within flaws in crystals.

The longer a crystal is exposed to these various sources of radiation, the more particles accumulate. When the crystals are exposed to direct sunlight, they are "bleached," meaning the reservoir of particles is emptied and the "hourglass" is reset.

When a clay tablet is manufactured, for example, crystals in the grit temper are exposed to light and bleached. But when the clay hardens, those crystals sealed inside the clay begin to accumulate charged particles once again.

Technicians can carefully remove those crystals and measure their luminescence to determine how long ago the clay tablet was made.

The results obtained by the CSU team are illuminating if not surprising. Assuming the tablet was buried for some part of its history, it was made at around AD 1905.

This is precisely the period when these bizarre objects were being planted in mounds and then "discovered" - sometimes by innocent dupes such as William C. Mills, former curator of archaeology for the Ohio Historical Society.

Although this result applies to one of the hundreds of "Michigan relics," it kills the idea that these things have any relevance to American prehistory. Instead, they are windows onto a period of American history when archaeology was in its infancy and numerous frauds were being used to promote various religious, political and personal agendas. [5]

The Michigan artifacts should not be used as evidence of the Book of Mormon's account or of other aspects of ancient history.


Question: Can the Newark "Holy Stones" be used as evidence to support the Book of Mormon?

We don't have the sort of details on their discovery that we would like to be able to verify some sort of authenticity

The are two main issues with artifacts of this sort. The first is the issue of discovery. While there are several interesting artifacts, we don't have the sort of details on their discovery that we would like to be able to verify some sort of authenticity. Most of them were discovered by an individual, who wasn't using any kind of modern archaeological standards. This allows for questions of fraud and hoax to enter into the picture (particularly when we combine it with the fact that such a discovery, if authenticated, would be absolutely huge by any archaeological standards). Related to this issue is that since we have developed more rigorous standards for doing archaeological excavations, we haven't continued to find additional examples of these kinds of artifacts. This further encourages the sense that they may have been a hoax. (This isn't to say that they are a hoax - just that the evidence is inconclusive). It also shows how difficult it is to date objects once they have been removed from their original setting. This is true of nearly any single object - and we have the same problems with artifacts in the old world that simply show up (particularly on the proverbial black market). Any artifact which turns up on its own without some kind of rigorous investigative process is considered suspect.

Even if they are valid, these artifacts are outside the time frame that would be helpful for validating the Book of Mormon

The second issue is more relevant to us as LDS members. These objects use what you can see labeled in the link as a "post-Exilic square Hebrew letters". In the reference to Cyrus Gordon, we have mention of the first text as a potential Samaritan mezuzah. These issues give us some idea of what to consider in terms of dates on the assumption that they are authentic. They would most likely come from the period of about 100-300 AD - potentially representing a group leaving Palestine sometime during or after the second Jewish revolt in the second century. This places these artifacts outside the time frame that would be helpful for validating the Book of Mormon (or determining Book of Mormon geography related issues). It would help us recognize another potential migration from the old world to the new world. But I think that as LDS we want to be careful in trying to suggest that this is potential evidence here for the Book of Mormon.



Notes

  1. Francis W. Kelsey, "Some Archaeological Forgeries from Michigan," American Anthropologist 10/8 (May 1908): 48–59; Francis W. Kelsy, "A Persistent Forgery," The American Antiquarian and Oriental Journal 33/1 (1911): 26–31; Stephen D. Peet, "A 'Stamp' Table and Coin Found in a Michigan Mount," The American Antiquarian and Oriental Journal 15 (September 1894): 313.
  2. Frederick Starr, J.O. Kinnaman, and James E. Talmage, "The Michigan Archaeological Question Settled," The American Antiquairian and Oriental Journal 33, no. 3 (1911): 160–164.
  3. James E. Talmage, journal, June 1921; cited in Mark Ashurst-McGee, "Mormonism’s Encounter with the Michigan Relics," BYU Studies Quarterly 40, no. 3.
  4. Richard B. Stamps, "Tools Leave Marks: Material Analysis of the Scotford-Soper-Savage Michigan Relics," BYU Studies Quarterly 40, no. 3.
  5. Bradley T. Lepper, "New light shone on 'old relics'," The Columbus Dispatch (13 July 2009).

FairMormon has a review of some of the contents and tactics used by this presentation.

There are both brief executive summaries and more detailed information.

Other reviews

Blog posts

Other resources

  • Kristen Moulton, "Book of Mormon geography stirring controversy," Salt Lake Tribune (25 March 2010) off-site.
  • Michael De Groote, "Mormon geography conferences to compete this weekend," Deseret News (29 March 2010) off-site
  • Rod Meldrum/FIRM Foundation homepage off-site
  • LDS Promised Land off-site

Index of geographical claims made in the DVD DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography

The following tables respond to specific geographical claims made in the DVD. Only the geographical claims are treated here. For other issues related to this DVD and the presentation "Introduction to Book of Mormon Evidences," see the following:

A note about DNA claims

It is claimed in the DVD and associated seminars that criticisms related to DNA and the Book of Mormon have not been addressed by LDS scholars. This is incorrect. For a detailed discussion of DNA related claims, see the following:


Heartland (Meldrum) Geography claims


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