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*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/John Dehlin's "Questions and Answers"/Translation of the Book of Mormon#"Joseph Smith used this....stone in the hat....to produce the Book of Mormon"|"Joseph Smith used this....stone in the hat....to produce the Book of Mormon"]] | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/John Dehlin's "Questions and Answers"/Translation of the Book of Mormon#"Joseph Smith used this....stone in the hat....to produce the Book of Mormon"|"Joseph Smith used this....stone in the hat....to produce the Book of Mormon"]] | ||
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*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/John Dehlin's "Questions and Answers"/Translation of the Book of Mormon#"which begs the question as to why the plates were needed at all?"|"which begs the question as to why the plates were needed at all?"]] | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/John Dehlin's "Questions and Answers"/Translation of the Book of Mormon#"which begs the question as to why the plates were needed at all?"|"which begs the question as to why the plates were needed at all?"]] | ||
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=="this 'translation' process did not involve the golden plates"== | =="this 'translation' process did not involve the golden plates"== | ||
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|answer=Joseph and the Church have always said that the translation was conducted by "the gift and power of God." This means that ''of course'' Joseph would not use the plates in precisely the same way as an academic translator would use a source document. | |||
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=="which begs the question as to why the plates were needed at all?"== | |||
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|answer=The question has a simple answer, even if the author refuses to acknowledge it. If there were no plates, it would be easy—as many cultural Mormons and critics have tried to do anyway—to claim that the Book of Mormon was an "inspired fiction." The existence of real, literal plates seen and handled by witnesses is evidence that the Nephites really existed. The Book of Mormon story is not a mere allegory or fiction—it is real history, about real people, who meet a real, genuine, living Christ. | |||
The plates also probably helped reassure Joseph and those close to him that he was not crazy, or delusional, or lying—he had genuine, tangible artifacts. | |||
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- "Joseph Smith used this....stone in the hat....to produce the Book of Mormon"
- "this same stone in the hat....from his folk magic days"
- "this 'translation' process did not involve the golden plates"
- "which begs the question as to why the plates were needed at all?"
"Joseph Smith used this....stone in the hat....to produce the Book of Mormon"
The author(s) make(s) the following claim:
Joseph Smith used this....stone in the hat....to produce the Book of Mormon
FAIR's Response
The "Urim and Thummim" used by Joseph Smith to translate the "gold plates"
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- Question: Did Joseph Smith use the Nephite interpreters to translate? Or did he use his own seer stone?
- Question: What are the Nephite interpreters?
- Question: Did Joseph Smith use his own seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon?
- Question: Has the Church tried to hide Joseph's use of a seer stone?
- Gospel Topics: "Joseph placed either the interpreters or the seer stone in a hat"
- Question: Did Joseph ever place the Nephite interpreters ("Urim and Thummim") into his hat?
- Gospel Topics: "Joseph Smith and his associates often used the term 'Urim and Thummim' to refer to the single stone as well as the interpreters"
- Ensign (Jan. 2013): "He...referred to it using an Old Testament term, Urim and Thummim...He also sometimes applied the term to other stones he possessed"
- W.W. Phelps (1833): "through the aid of a pair of Interpreters, or spectacles—(known, perhaps, in ancient days as Teraphim, or Urim and Thummim)"
- Question: Which method of translation was more "believable": seer stone or Nephite interpreters?
- Question: What does the Church teach investigators and members regarding the method by which the Book of Mormon was produced?
"this same stone in the hat....from his folk magic days"
The author(s) make(s) the following claim:
"this same stone in the hat....from his folk magic days"
FAIR's Response
"this 'translation' process did not involve the golden plates"
The author(s) make(s) the following claim:
"this 'translation' process did not involve the golden plates"
FAIR's Response
"which begs the question as to why the plates were needed at all?"
The author(s) make(s) the following claim:
"which begs the question as to why the plates were needed at all?"