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In developing our response, our primary intended audience is not necessarily Snuffer nor his associates, but rather those individuals, perhaps faithful Latter-day Saints, perhaps questioning, perhaps once-faithful but now sincerely doubting, who may have come across his teachings and been troubled by its contents. | In developing our response, our primary intended audience is not necessarily Snuffer nor his associates, but rather those individuals, perhaps faithful Latter-day Saints, perhaps questioning, perhaps once-faithful but now sincerely doubting, who may have come across his teachings and been troubled by its contents. | ||
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|claim="You do not need buildings to meet. Tithing is for the poor."<ref>Cited by Tim Malone, "A Few Notes from the Mesa Lecture," ''latterdaycommentary.blog'' (9 September 2014), {{antilink|http://latterdaycommentary.com/2014/09/09/a-few-notes-from-the-mesa-lecture/}}</ref> | |claim="You do not need buildings to meet. Tithing is for the poor."<ref>Cited by Tim Malone, "A Few Notes from the Mesa Lecture," ''latterdaycommentary.blog'' (9 September 2014), {{antilink|http://latterdaycommentary.com/2014/09/09/a-few-notes-from-the-mesa-lecture/}}</ref> | ||
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"The poor" are nowhere mentioned in these commands, since the scriptures have a different mechanism for providing for them—the fast ({{b||Isaiah|58|6-7}}). | "The poor" are nowhere mentioned in these commands, since the scriptures have a different mechanism for providing for them—the fast ({{b||Isaiah|58|6-7}}). | ||
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|claim="Joseph Smith only built one building—a temple."<ref>Cited by Tim Malone, "A Few Notes from the Mesa Lecture," ''latterdaycommentary.blog'' (9 September 2014), {{antilink|http://latterdaycommentary.com/2014/09/09/a-few-notes-from-the-mesa-lecture/}}</ref> | |claim="Joseph Smith only built one building—a temple."<ref>Cited by Tim Malone, "A Few Notes from the Mesa Lecture," ''latterdaycommentary.blog'' (9 September 2014), {{antilink|http://latterdaycommentary.com/2014/09/09/a-few-notes-from-the-mesa-lecture/}}</ref> | ||
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* A house in Kirtland for himself<ref>"it is meet that my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., should have a house built, in which to live and translate.({{s||DC|41|7}}).</ref> | * A house in Kirtland for himself<ref>"it is meet that my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., should have a house built, in which to live and translate.({{s||DC|41|7}}).</ref> | ||
* A house in Kirtland for Sidney Rigdon<ref>"it is meet that my servant Sidney Rigdon should live as seemeth him good, inasmuch as he keepeth my commandments" ({{s||DC|41|8}}).</ref> | * A house in Kirtland for Sidney Rigdon<ref>"it is meet that my servant Sidney Rigdon should live as seemeth him good, inasmuch as he keepeth my commandments" ({{s||DC|41|8}}).</ref> | ||
| + | * "A house for the work of the Presidency" in Kirtland, with design and dimensions given<ref>And let the first lot on the south be consecrated unto me for the building of a house for the presidency, for the work of the presidency, in obtaining revelations; and for the work of the ministry of the presidency, in all things pertaining to the church and kingdom. Verily I say unto you, that it shall be built fifty–five by sixty–five feet in the width thereof and in the length thereof, in the inner court. And there shall be a lower court and a higher court, according to the pattern which shall be given unto you hereafter. And it shall be dedicated unto the Lord from the foundation thereof, according to the order of the priesthood, according to the pattern which shall be given unto you hereafter. And it shall be wholly dedicated unto the Lord for the work of the presidency. And ye shall not suffer any unclean thing to come in unto it; and my glory shall be there, and my presence shall be there ({{s||DC|94|3-8}}).</ref> | ||
| + | * "a house...for the work of the printing of the translation of my scriptures, and all things whatsoever I shall command you."<ref>the second lot on the south shall be dedicated unto me for the building of a house unto me, for the work of the printing of the translation of my scriptures, and all things whatsoever I shall command you. And it shall be fifty–five by sixty–five feet in the width thereof and the length thereof, in the inner court; and there shall be a lower and a higher court. And this house shall be wholly dedicated unto the Lord from the foundation thereof, for the work of the printing, in all things whatsoever I shall command you, to be holy, undefiled, according to the pattern in all things as it shall be given unto you ({{s||DC|94|10-12}}).</ref> | ||
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A FairMormon Analysis of Denver Snuffer's Online Claims
This set of articles comprises approximately ??? questions or sources assigned to the response to Denver Snuffer. A full list of these articles may be found here: Category:Denver Snuffer. New questions and sources are periodically added to this list.
Overview
Denver Snuffer was excommunicated for apostasy on 11 September 2013 because of the claims made in his book Passing the Heavenly Gift.[1] Following his excommunication, Snuffer has declared, among other things, that the Church's First Presidency has lost their authority, and claimed that Jesus appeared to him to instruct him. This wiki page examines his historical and other claims.
FairMormon's response
In developing our response, our primary intended audience is not necessarily Snuffer nor his associates, but rather those individuals, perhaps faithful Latter-day Saints, perhaps questioning, perhaps once-faithful but now sincerely doubting, who may have come across his teachings and been troubled by its contents.
Denver Snuffer claim:
"You do not need buildings to meet. Tithing is for the poor."[2]
FairMormon Response
The Doctrine and Covenants teaches a different doctrine. For example, tithing is commanded for the building of temples:
- 10 Verily I say unto you, that it is my will that a house should be built unto me in the land of Zion, like unto the pattern which I have given you.
- 11 Yea, let it be built speedily, by the tithing of my people. (D&C 97꞉10-11, italics added)
Likewise D&C 117꞉2-3 commands tithing for a variety of purposes:
- 2 For the building of mine house, and for the laying of the foundation of Zion and for the priesthood, and for the debts of the Presidency of my Church.
- 3 And this shall be the beginning of the tithing of my people.
Thus, tithing is properly used for temples and other activities consistent with building the kingdom of God ("laying the foundation of Zion and for the priesthood"). Joseph Smith used tithing for such purposes throughout his administration.
"The poor" are nowhere mentioned in these commands, since the scriptures have a different mechanism for providing for them—the fast (Isaiah 58:6-7).
Denver Snuffer claim:
"Joseph Smith only built one building—a temple."[3]
FairMormon Response
This claim is false. The Doctrine and Covenants commands that consecrated Church funds be used for a variety of purposes:
- Therefore, the residue [of the funds] shall be kept in my storehouse, to administer to the poor and the needy, as shall be appointed by the high council of the church, and the bishop and his council;
- And for the purpose of purchasing lands for the public benefit of the church, and building houses of worship, and building up of the New Jerusalem which is hereafter to be revealed...(DC 42꞉34-35, italics added)
Joseph directed the construction of many buildings for Church purposes:
- A house in Kirtland for himself[4]
- A house in Kirtland for Sidney Rigdon[5]
- "A house for the work of the Presidency" in Kirtland, with design and dimensions given[6]
- "a house...for the work of the printing of the translation of my scriptures, and all things whatsoever I shall command you."[7]
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 94:10 - 12)
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 94:10)
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 94:10)
- The Nauvoo House (D&C 128꞉55–75);
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Notes
- ↑ Denver Snuffer, “Yesterday,” blog post (11 September 2013), {{{1}}}
- ↑ Cited by Tim Malone, "A Few Notes from the Mesa Lecture," latterdaycommentary.blog (9 September 2014), http://latterdaycommentary.com/2014/09/09/a-few-notes-from-the-mesa-lecture/
- ↑ Cited by Tim Malone, "A Few Notes from the Mesa Lecture," latterdaycommentary.blog (9 September 2014), http://latterdaycommentary.com/2014/09/09/a-few-notes-from-the-mesa-lecture/
- ↑ "it is meet that my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., should have a house built, in which to live and translate.(DC 41꞉7).
- ↑ "it is meet that my servant Sidney Rigdon should live as seemeth him good, inasmuch as he keepeth my commandments" (DC 41꞉8).
- ↑ And let the first lot on the south be consecrated unto me for the building of a house for the presidency, for the work of the presidency, in obtaining revelations; and for the work of the ministry of the presidency, in all things pertaining to the church and kingdom. Verily I say unto you, that it shall be built fifty–five by sixty–five feet in the width thereof and in the length thereof, in the inner court. And there shall be a lower court and a higher court, according to the pattern which shall be given unto you hereafter. And it shall be dedicated unto the Lord from the foundation thereof, according to the order of the priesthood, according to the pattern which shall be given unto you hereafter. And it shall be wholly dedicated unto the Lord for the work of the presidency. And ye shall not suffer any unclean thing to come in unto it; and my glory shall be there, and my presence shall be there (DC 94꞉3-8).
- ↑ the second lot on the south shall be dedicated unto me for the building of a house unto me, for the work of the printing of the translation of my scriptures, and all things whatsoever I shall command you. And it shall be fifty–five by sixty–five feet in the width thereof and the length thereof, in the inner court; and there shall be a lower and a higher court. And this house shall be wholly dedicated unto the Lord from the foundation thereof, for the work of the printing, in all things whatsoever I shall command you, to be holy, undefiled, according to the pattern in all things as it shall be given unto you (DC 94꞉10-12).