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| − | The relevant scripture reads: | + | The relevant scripture reads (color emphasis added for clarity): |
| − | :1 Verily I say unto you, my friends, I give unto you counsel, and a commandment, concerning all the properties which belong to the order which I commanded to be organized and established, to be a united order, and an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I come— | + | :1 Verily I say unto you, my friends, I give unto you counsel, and a commandment, concerning all the properties which belong to the order which I commanded to be organized and established, to be a united order, and <font color="red">an everlasting order</font> for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I come— |
:2 <font color="blue">With promise immutable and unchangeable, that inasmuch as those whom I commanded were faithful they should be blessed with a multiplicity of blessings;</font> | :2 <font color="blue">With promise immutable and unchangeable, that inasmuch as those whom I commanded were faithful they should be blessed with a multiplicity of blessings;</font> | ||
:3 But inasmuch as they were not faithful they were nigh unto cursing. | :3 But inasmuch as they were not faithful they were nigh unto cursing. | ||
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Several points need to be made: | Several points need to be made: | ||
| − | * the practice of the Order is not prophecied to be "<font color="blue">immutable and unchangeable</font>." Rather, the Lord says that the | + | |
| + | * the practice of the Order is not prophecied to be "<font color="blue">immutable and unchangeable</font>." Rather, the Lord says that the ''promise'' is "immutable and unchangeable"—and, that promise is that "inasmuch as those whom I commanded were faithful, they should be blessed with a multiplicity of blessings. | ||
| + | * the United Order is to be <font color="red">everlasting</font>—that is, it is always the Lord's highest law. Temple-worthy Latter-day Saints promise to observe the law of consecration. They are not, at present, commanded to enter the United Order, but covenant to do so if asked. | ||
| + | * the Lord makes it clear (verses 3-6) that some might break the covenant, and suffer the penalty. Thus, failure to live the law is not failure of a prophecy, but failure to live a commandment. | ||
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| + | ==Biblical parallels== | ||
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| + | There are other | ||
==Conclusion== | ==Conclusion== | ||
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Contents
Criticism
Critics claim that Joseph gave a false prophecy when he described the United Order in revelation as "everlasting," "immutable and unchangeable," "until I [Jesus] come."
Source(s) of the criticism
- Richard Abanes, One Nation Under Gods: A History of the Mormon Church (New York: Four Walls Eight Windows, 2003), 462, 617 n. 14 ( Index of claims )
Response
The relevant scripture reads (color emphasis added for clarity):
- 1 Verily I say unto you, my friends, I give unto you counsel, and a commandment, concerning all the properties which belong to the order which I commanded to be organized and established, to be a united order, and an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I come—
- 2 With promise immutable and unchangeable, that inasmuch as those whom I commanded were faithful they should be blessed with a multiplicity of blessings;
- 3 But inasmuch as they were not faithful they were nigh unto cursing.
- 4 Therefore, inasmuch as some of my servants have not kept the commandment, but have broken the covenant through covetousness, and with feigned words, I have cursed them with a very sore and grievous curse.
- 5 For I, the Lord, have decreed in my heart, that inasmuch as any man belonging to the order shall be found a transgressor, or, in other words, shall break the covenant with which ye are bound, he shall be cursed in his life, and shall be trodden down by whom I will;
- 6 For I, the Lord, am not to be mocked in these things—(DC 104꞉1-6)
Several points need to be made:
- the practice of the Order is not prophecied to be "immutable and unchangeable." Rather, the Lord says that the promise is "immutable and unchangeable"—and, that promise is that "inasmuch as those whom I commanded were faithful, they should be blessed with a multiplicity of blessings.
- the United Order is to be everlasting—that is, it is always the Lord's highest law. Temple-worthy Latter-day Saints promise to observe the law of consecration. They are not, at present, commanded to enter the United Order, but covenant to do so if asked.
- the Lord makes it clear (verses 3-6) that some might break the covenant, and suffer the penalty. Thus, failure to live the law is not failure of a prophecy, but failure to live a commandment.
Biblical parallels
There are other