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Chapter 5
A FAIR Analysis of:
Criticism of Mormonism/Books
A work by author: Jerald and Sandra Tanner
 Chapter 7

Claims made in Chapter 6: The First Vision

Page Claim Response Author's sources

149

Oliver Cowdery's 1834 attempt at writing a history of the Church ignored the First Vision.

149-150

In 1832 Joseph had a revelation that said that a man could not see God without the priesthood.

  • D&C 84:21-22
  • Doctrines of Salvation 1:4.

150

There were no references to the First Vision in the 1830s.

  •  [ATTENTION!]

152

Joseph's 1832 account mentions that he was in the 16th year of his age rather than the 15th.

  •  [ATTENTION!]

154

The 1832 account only mentions one personage.

  •  [ATTENTION!]

156

The personages in the 1835 version are not explicitly identified as God the Father and Jesus Christ.

  •  [ATTENTION!]

157

The 1835 account talks about a visitation of angels instead of the Father and Son.

  • Deseret News, vol. 2, no.15, May 29, 1852
  • History of the Church 11:312

159

Joseph's claim of seeing the Father and the Son was not unique.

  • So what? Jesus' teaching of repentance was not unique either.
  • One must assess the fruits of Joseph's prophetic ministry. How many of those who claimed visions also produced a 500+ page book in less than three months?
  •  [ATTENTION!]

160

Oliver Cowdery's 1834 history in the Messenger and Advocate did not mention the First Vision.

  • Latter Day Saint's Messenger and Advocate 1:42, Feb.1835.

162

"Mormon apologists are beginning to retreat from the idea that God the Father appeared to Joseph Smith"

  • First Vision
  •  Absurd claim: This is an absurd claim on the part of the authors, with (as is usual with such things) no evidence presented.
  •  [ATTENTION!]

162-163

The Book of Mormon teaches that there is only one God.

  • Members of the Church believe that God is one. They also believe that more than one personage can be spoken of as God.
  • Monotheism vs. Polytheism?

164

Brigham Young denied that the Lord came to Joseph Smith in the First Vision.

164

John Taylor claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision.

  • John Taylor, [[Journal of Discourses/20/{{{disc}}}#167|Journal of Discourses 20:167]].

164

George A. Smith claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision.

166-171

There was no revival in the area where Joseph Smith lived in 1820.

  •  [ATTENTION!]
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