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===Claims made in Chapter 10: Changing the Anti-Black Doctrine===
===Claims made in Chapter 10: Changing the Anti-Black Doctrine===
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====291-293====
====291-293====
||It was taught that the denial of priesthoods to blacks was due to some behavior in the pre-existence.
{{IndexClaim
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|claim=
*It was taught that the denial of priesthoods to blacks was due to some behavior in the pre-existence.
|response=
*[[Blacks and the priesthood/Pre-existence|Pre-existence and the ban?]]
*[[Blacks and the priesthood/Pre-existence|Pre-existence and the ban?]]
* This idea has been [[Blacks and the priesthood/Repudiated ideas|repudiated]].
* This idea has been [[Blacks and the priesthood/Repudiated ideas|repudiated]].
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|authorsources=
*Alma 3:6
*Alma 3:6
*''Race Problems—As They Affect The Church'', Address by Mark E. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954"
*''Race Problems—As They Affect The Church'', Address by Mark E. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954"
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====294====
====294====
||Blacks were said to be the descendants of Cain.
{{IndexClaim
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|claim=
*Blacks were said to be the descendants of Cain.
|response=
*The authors fail to note that the so-called "Curse of Ham" was a Protestant invention used to justify the practice of slavery.
*The authors fail to note that the so-called "Curse of Ham" was a Protestant invention used to justify the practice of slavery.
* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Double_standard_on_race|Protestant critics: double standard on race issues]]
* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Double_standard_on_race|Protestant critics: double standard on race issues]]
*[[Blacks and the priesthood/Origin of the priesthood ban|Origin of the ban]]
*[[Blacks and the priesthood/Origin of the priesthood ban|Origin of the ban]]
*[[Blacks and the priesthood/The "curse of Cain" and "curse of Ham"|"Curse of Cain" and "curse of Ham"?]]
*[[Blacks and the priesthood/The "curse of Cain" and "curse of Ham"|"Curse of Cain" and "curse of Ham"?]]
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|authorsources=
*''History of the Church'' 4:501
*''History of the Church'' 4:501
*''Mormon Doctrine'', 1958. p.102
*''Mormon Doctrine'', 1958. p.102
*''Journal of Discourses'' 7:290
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|vol=7|disc=45|start=290}}
*''Mormon Doctrine'', 1958, p.477
*''Mormon Doctrine'', 1958, p.477
*''Journal of Discourses'' 22:304
*{{JDfairwiki|author=John Taylor|vol=22|disc=40|start=304}}
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}}
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====296====
====296====
||Brigham Young said that the penalty for marrying a black person was "death."||
{{IndexClaim
* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[Brigham Young on race mixing]]
|claim=
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*Brigham Young said that the penalty for marrying a black person was "death."
*''Journal of Discourses'' 10:110
|response=
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* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[Brigham Young/Race mixing punishable by death]]
 
|authorsources=
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|vol=10|disc=25|start=110}}
 
}}
====302====
====302====
||Joseph Smith is said to have endorsed slavery.||
{{IndexClaim
|claim=
*Joseph Smith is said to have endorsed slavery.
|response=
* When in the midst of hostile non-Mormons who were pro-slavery, the leaders of the church (making clear they were speaking only for themselves) did not take an anti-slavery line.
* When in the midst of hostile non-Mormons who were pro-slavery, the leaders of the church (making clear they were speaking only for themselves) did not take an anti-slavery line.
* When more secure in Nauvoo, Joseph was anti-slavery.  His presidential campaign platform, for example, called for the abolition of slavery by selling public lands to pay slaveholders.
* When more secure in Nauvoo, Joseph was anti-slavery.  His presidential campaign platform, for example, called for the abolition of slavery by selling public lands to pay slaveholders.
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|authorsources=
*''History of the Church'' 2:436-38
*''History of the Church'' 2:436-38
*''History of the Church'' 3:29
*''History of the Church'' 3:29
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====303====
====303====
||Slavery was accepted in Utah.||
{{IndexClaim
|claim=
*Slavery was accepted in Utah.
|response=
* {{Presentism}}: Slavery was enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, and it took a war to end it.
* {{Presentism}}: Slavery was enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, and it took a war to end it.
* LDS scripture forbade slavery ({{s||Alma|27|9-10}}, {{s||DC|101|79}}), but Latter-day Saints (like believers in every age) did not always live up to the light given them.  Those who practiced slavery during a historical time in which it was legal will have to answer to God's justice and mercy.
* LDS scripture forbade slavery ({{s||Alma|27|9-10}}, {{s||DC|101|79}}), but Latter-day Saints (like believers in every age) did not always live up to the light given them.  Those who practiced slavery during a historical time in which it was legal will have to answer to God's justice and mercy.
* The authors, however, apparently hope that readers will judge the Church or its members or leaders harshly.  This is a dangerous wish, since "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" ({{b||Matthew|7|2}}).
* The authors, however, apparently hope that readers will judge the Church or its members or leaders harshly.  This is a dangerous wish, since "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" ({{b||Matthew|7|2}}).
||
|authorsources=
*''Millennial Star'', 1851, p.63
*''Millennial Star'', 1851, p.63
*''New York Herald'', May 4, 1855, as cited in Dialogue, Spring 1973, p.56
*''New York Herald'', May 4, 1855, as cited in Dialogue, Spring 1973, p.56
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====306====
====306====
||Church leaders defended segregation.
{{IndexClaim
||
|claim=
*Church leaders defended segregation.
|response=
* {{SourceDistortion}}: The authors quote the first edition of ''Mormon Doctrine'', while ignoring that many Church leaders were displeased with it, and that a second edition had been released eleven years before their book was published.
* {{SourceDistortion}}: The authors quote the first edition of ''Mormon Doctrine'', while ignoring that many Church leaders were displeased with it, and that a second edition had been released eleven years before their book was published.
* {{Fundamentalism}}
* {{Fundamentalism}}
* {{DoubleStandard}}: some Protestant denominations—such as the SBC—were formed specifically to ''support'' slavery.
* {{DoubleStandard}}: some Protestant denominations—such as the SBC—were formed specifically to ''support'' slavery.
* {{Fundamentalism}}: [[Fallibility_of_prophets|Prophetic fallibility?]]
* {{Fundamentalism}}: [[Church doctrine/Statements by Church leaders]]
* [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas|Repudiated ideas]]
* [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas|Repudiated ideas]]
||
|authorsources=
*''Race Problems—As They Affect The Church'', an address delivered by Apostle Mark E. Petersen at Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954
*''Race Problems—As They Affect The Church'', an address delivered by Apostle Mark E. Petersen at Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954
*''Mormon Doctrine'', 1958, pp.107-8
*''Mormon Doctrine'', 1958, pp.107-8
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}}
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====312-314====
====312-314====
||Brigham Young said that blacks would not received the priesthood until all of Adam's other children received it, otherwise the church would be destroyed.||
{{IndexClaim
* {{Fundamentalism}}: [[Fallibility_of_prophets|Prophetic fallibility?]]
|claim=
*Brigham Young said that blacks would not received the priesthood until all of Adam's other children received it, otherwise the church would be destroyed.
|response=
* {{Fundamentalism}}: [[Church doctrine/Statements by Church leaders]]
* [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas|Repudiated ideas]]
* [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas|Repudiated ideas]]
* [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Lifting_the_ban|Lifting the ban]]
* [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Lifting_the_ban|Lifting the ban]]
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|authorsources=
*''Journal of Discourses'' 7:290-91
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|vol=7|disc=45|start=290|end=291}}
*''Journal of Discourses'' 2:143
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|vol=2|disc=26|start=143}}
*''Journal of Discourses'' 11:272
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|vol=11|disc=41|start=272}}
*Brigham Young Addresses, Ms d 1234, Box 48, folder 3, dated February 5, 1852, located in the LDS church historical dept.)."
*Brigham Young Addresses, Ms d 1234, Box 48, folder 3, dated February 5, 1852, located in the LDS church historical dept.)."
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====322-323====
====322-323====
||The revelation granting the priesthood to blacks was necessary after a temple was built in Brazil.
{{IndexClaim
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|claim=
*The revelation granting the priesthood to blacks was necessary after a temple was built in Brazil.
|response=
* {{MindReading}}
* {{MindReading}}
* The authors again make a sweeping assertion with no evidence whatever.
* The authors again make a sweeping assertion with no evidence whatever.
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|authorsources=
* {{attn}}
* {{attn}}
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Revision as of 03:11, 2 February 2010


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A FAIR Analysis of:
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Claims made in Chapter 10: Changing the Anti-Black Doctrine

291-293

Claim
  • It was taught that the denial of priesthoods to blacks was due to some behavior in the pre-existence.

Author's source(s)

  • Alma 3:6
  • Race Problems—As They Affect The Church, Address by Mark E. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954"

Response

294

Claim
  • Blacks were said to be the descendants of Cain.

Author's source(s)

Response

296

Claim
  • Brigham Young said that the penalty for marrying a black person was "death."

Author's source(s)

Response

302

Claim
  • Joseph Smith is said to have endorsed slavery.

Author's source(s)

  • History of the Church 2:436-38
  • History of the Church 3:29

Response

  • When in the midst of hostile non-Mormons who were pro-slavery, the leaders of the church (making clear they were speaking only for themselves) did not take an anti-slavery line.
  • When more secure in Nauvoo, Joseph was anti-slavery. His presidential campaign platform, for example, called for the abolition of slavery by selling public lands to pay slaveholders.

303

Claim
  • Slavery was accepted in Utah.

Author's source(s)

  • Millennial Star, 1851, p.63
  • New York Herald, May 4, 1855, as cited in Dialogue, Spring 1973, p.56

Response

  •  Presentism or anachronism: Slavery was enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, and it took a war to end it.
  • LDS scripture forbade slavery (Alma 27꞉9-10, DC 101꞉79), but Latter-day Saints (like believers in every age) did not always live up to the light given them. Those who practiced slavery during a historical time in which it was legal will have to answer to God's justice and mercy.
  • The authors, however, apparently hope that readers will judge the Church or its members or leaders harshly. This is a dangerous wish, since "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" (Matthew 7:2).

306

Claim
  • Church leaders defended segregation.

Author's source(s)

  • Race Problems—As They Affect The Church, an address delivered by Apostle Mark E. Petersen at Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954
  • Mormon Doctrine, 1958, pp.107-8

Response

  •  Misrepresentation of source: The authors quote the first edition of Mormon Doctrine, while ignoring that many Church leaders were displeased with it, and that a second edition had been released eleven years before their book was published.
  •  Author(s) impose(s) own fundamentalism on the Saints
  •  Double standard: some Protestant denominations—such as the SBC—were formed specifically to support slavery.
  •  Author(s) impose(s) own fundamentalism on the Saints: Church doctrine/Statements by Church leaders
  • Repudiated ideas

312-314

Claim
  • Brigham Young said that blacks would not received the priesthood until all of Adam's other children received it, otherwise the church would be destroyed.

Author's source(s)

Response

322-323

Claim
  • The revelation granting the priesthood to blacks was necessary after a temple was built in Brazil.

Author's source(s)

  •  [ATTENTION!]

Response

  •  Mind reading: author has no way of knowing this.
  • The authors again make a sweeping assertion with no evidence whatever.
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