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{{Epigraph|We are not interested in "what his followers say" or "what the opposition says," we're interested in facts that can be demonstrated in historical source material.<br> | {{Epigraph|We are not interested in "what his followers say" or "what the opposition says," we're interested in facts that can be demonstrated in historical source material.<br> | ||
− | —Editor John | + | —Editor [[John Foxe]], stating his justification for performing original research in Wikipedia (23 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_2#POV_tag}} }} |
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One might ask: If we are not interested in what Joseph's followers say, nor what his opposition says, then what is left other than to interpret the primary sources directly in the Wikipedia article? | One might ask: If we are not interested in what Joseph's followers say, nor what his opposition says, then what is left other than to interpret the primary sources directly in the Wikipedia article? | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=56-59, 70–74}}. Smith, Sr.'s first vision was around 1811 (id. at 56-57), and his "seventh and last vision" was in 1819 (''id.'' at 73–74). | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=56-59, 70–74}}. Smith, Sr.'s first vision was around 1811 (id. at 56-57), and his "seventh and last vision" was in 1819 (''id.'' at 73–74). | ||
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− | *{{WikipediaPRIMARY|editor=John | + | *{{WikipediaPRIMARY|editor=John Foxe|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Vision&diff=83282185&oldid=83281911}}{{WikipediaViolated|editor=COgden|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Vision&diff=83249775&oldid=83175230}}The two wiki editors have interpreted a primary source (Lucy Mack Smith's 1853 history). An allowable approach would be to cite what Bushman said about this primary source, rather than directly interpreting it. In addition, the editor has ''incorrectly'' interpreted the source by: |
**calling all seven dreams "visions," while secondary source Bushman reports that Lucy only called five of them visions. | **calling all seven dreams "visions," while secondary source Bushman reports that Lucy only called five of them visions. | ||
**reporting that they all happened between 1811 and 1819, while Bushman notes that they occurred "before and after" Joseph's first vision in 1820. | **reporting that they all happened between 1811 and 1819, while Bushman notes that they occurred "before and after" Joseph's first vision in 1820. | ||
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*{{WikipediaSYN|editor=Bytebear|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Vision&diff=168821062&oldid=168797668}} The statement says that "the only" large revivals occurred before and after 1820. This is ''not'' stated in the cited source (Bushman), and is only ''implied'' by the second cited source (Vogel). If the words "the only" were removed, the sentence would be correct. | *{{WikipediaSYN|editor=Bytebear|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Vision&diff=168821062&oldid=168797668}} The statement says that "the only" large revivals occurred before and after 1820. This is ''not'' stated in the cited source (Bushman), and is only ''implied'' by the second cited source (Vogel). If the words "the only" were removed, the sentence would be correct. | ||
− | *{{WikipediaNPOV|editor=John | + | *{{WikipediaNPOV|editor=John Foxe|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Vision&diff=172154162&oldid=172151190}}Although the wiki author quotes Vogel's critical opinion in order to cast doubt on the occurrence of a religious revival in 1820, he fails to quote any balancing opinion, such as Bushman's view on the subject. On page 36 of ''Rough Stone Rolling'' (cited in the wiki article), Bushman says, |
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The great revival of 1816 and 1817, which nearly doubled the number of Palmyra Presbyterians, was in progress when the Smiths arrived. | The great revival of 1816 and 1817, which nearly doubled the number of Palmyra Presbyterians, was in progress when the Smiths arrived. | ||
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*Keith Thomas, ''Religion and the Decline of Magic'' (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1971), 256. | *Keith Thomas, ''Religion and the Decline of Magic'' (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1971), 256. | ||
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− | *The wiki editor fails to mention that some practitioners of "folk magic," such as Willard Chase, were also ministers themselves. The editor is, however, quite aware of this fact. Note the comment that editor John | + | *The wiki editor fails to mention that some practitioners of "folk magic," such as Willard Chase, were also ministers themselves. The editor is, however, quite aware of this fact. Note the comment that editor John Foxe makes on the talk page of a different Wikipedia article "Golden Plates": |
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− | Chase is an odd duck, a money digger and a Methodist preacher, who really seems most irritated at Joseph Smith for taking his seer stone. (Get over it, Willard; it's just a rock.) My biggest problem with Chase as a witness is not that he disbelieves in Smith but that he does believe in money digging. --John | + | Chase is an odd duck, a money digger and a Methodist preacher, who really seems most irritated at Joseph Smith for taking his seer stone. (Get over it, Willard; it's just a rock.) My biggest problem with Chase as a witness is not that he disbelieves in Smith but that he does believe in money digging. --John Foxe (15 February 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Golden_Plates/Archive_4#Various_edits_by_Gdavies}} |
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*{{Harv|Quinn|1998|p=31}}. [[Michael Coe]], professor emeritus of Anthropology at Yale, has called Joseph Smith "a great religious leader...one of the greatest people who ever lived" because like a shaman, like "magicians doing magic," he began by faking his visions but ended up convincing himself (as well as others) that they were true. [http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/coe.html Coe interview on PBS "The Mormons."] | *{{Harv|Quinn|1998|p=31}}. [[Michael Coe]], professor emeritus of Anthropology at Yale, has called Joseph Smith "a great religious leader...one of the greatest people who ever lived" because like a shaman, like "magicians doing magic," he began by faking his visions but ended up convincing himself (as well as others) that they were true. [http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/coe.html Coe interview on PBS "The Mormons."] | ||
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− | *{{WikipediaSYN|editor=John | + | *{{WikipediaSYN|editor=John Foxe|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Vision&diff=172773210&oldid=172723855}} It strikes us as odd that Michael D. Coe, an Anthropology professor who is well known as one of the foremost experts on the Maya, is quoted in an article describing the environment in which Joseph Smith's first vision occurred. Dr. Coe is not considered an authority on Joseph Smith's First Vision. It is helpful to view Dr. Coe's quote in context. |
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I realized what kind of a person this Joseph Smith was. In my opinion, he was not just a great religious leader; he was a really great American, and I think he was one of the greatest people who ever lived. This extraordinary man, who put together a religion -- probably with many falsities in it, falsehoods, so forth, to begin with -- eventually came to believe in it so much that he really bought his own story and made it believable to other people. In this respect, he's a lot like a shaman in anthropology: these extraordinary religious practitioners in places like Siberia, North America among the Eskimo, the Inuit, who start out probably in their profession as almost like magicians doing magic. | I realized what kind of a person this Joseph Smith was. In my opinion, he was not just a great religious leader; he was a really great American, and I think he was one of the greatest people who ever lived. This extraordinary man, who put together a religion -- probably with many falsities in it, falsehoods, so forth, to begin with -- eventually came to believe in it so much that he really bought his own story and made it believable to other people. In this respect, he's a lot like a shaman in anthropology: these extraordinary religious practitioners in places like Siberia, North America among the Eskimo, the Inuit, who start out probably in their profession as almost like magicians doing magic. | ||
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*{{Harv|Quinn|1998|p=322}}. Quinn calls the Smiths "unchurched Christians" who "possessed seer stones, a dagger for drawing the required circles, as well as magic parchments to ward off thieves and communicate with good spirits to help find treasures." | *{{Harv|Quinn|1998|p=322}}. Quinn calls the Smiths "unchurched Christians" who "possessed seer stones, a dagger for drawing the required circles, as well as magic parchments to ward off thieves and communicate with good spirits to help find treasures." | ||
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− | *{{WikipediaSecondaryFact|author=Quinn|editor=John | + | *{{WikipediaSecondaryFact|author=Quinn|editor=John Foxe|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Vision&diff=144397418&oldid=144305456}}Quinn's opinion that the Smith's were "unchurched Christians" is reworked into the "fact" in the main article text that "no members of the Smith family were church members in 1820." This is intended to set the stage in order to "prove" that Joseph's statement that other members of his family joined the Presbyterians at the time of his first vision is false. |
*Rather than converting Quinn's opinion into the "fact" that "no members of the Smith family were church members in 1820," it would be more accurate to quote John A. Matzko: "[S]ometime before 1828 Lucy and three of her children—Hyrum, Samuel, and Sophronia—joined the Presbyterian church..." ({{CriticalWork:Matzko:Young Joseph Smith|pages=71}}) Matzko's statement is correct based upon known historical documents, without speculating upon whether or not the Smith's had joined in 1820. | *Rather than converting Quinn's opinion into the "fact" that "no members of the Smith family were church members in 1820," it would be more accurate to quote John A. Matzko: "[S]ometime before 1828 Lucy and three of her children—Hyrum, Samuel, and Sophronia—joined the Presbyterian church..." ({{CriticalWork:Matzko:Young Joseph Smith|pages=71}}) Matzko's statement is correct based upon known historical documents, without speculating upon whether or not the Smith's had joined in 1820. | ||
*{{WikipediaMissingRef}}Lucy's baptism prior to 1820, as recorded in her own history, is not noted. | *{{WikipediaMissingRef}}Lucy's baptism prior to 1820, as recorded in her own history, is not noted. |
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I shall change my theme for the present, but let not my reader suppose that because I shall pursue another topic for a season that we stopt our labor and went at trying to win the faculty of Abrac, drawing magic circles or soothsaying, to the neglect of all kinds of business. We never during our lives suffered one important interest to swallow up every other obligation. But whilst we worked with our hands, we endeavored to remember the service of and the welfare of our souls.
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The ability to quickly and easily access literature critical of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been made significantly easier through the advent of the Internet. One of the primary sites that dominates search engine results is Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia that “anyone can edit.” Wikipedia contains a large number of articles related to Mormonism that are edited by believers, critics, and neutral parties. The reliability of information regarding the Church and its history is subject to the biases of the editors who choose to modify those articles. Even if a wiki article is thoroughly sourced, editors sometimes employ source material in a manner that supports their bias. This essay explores the dynamics behind the creation of Wikipedia articles about the Church, the role that believers and critics play in that process, and the reliability of the information produced in the resulting wiki articles.
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