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===="Why did I feel the Spirit as I listened to the stories of apostates sharing how they discovered for themselves that Mormonism is not true?"==== | |||
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*A more accurate way to phrase this would be: "Why did I feel good as I listened to the stories of apostates sharing how they discovered for themselves that Mormonism is not true?" After all, the author's point is that the "spirit" is "unreliable and inconsistent." The answer, of course, is that the stories that he was hearing supported the conclusion that he had formed. | |||
*The author, understandably, wishes to equate the experiences of believers who "feel the spirit" during testimony meeting with how he "feels the Spirit" when hearing the stories of those who have left the Church, thereby proving that "feeling the spirit" is meaningless. However, "feeling the spirit" is only one element of a having a testimony, and should not be used as the sole proof for belief. It should also be accompanied with study and prayer. | |||
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A FAIR Analysis of the online document Letter to a CES Director section "Testimony & Spiritual Witness Concerns & Questions"
And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? (Luke 24꞉32)
My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue. (Psalms 39꞉3)
What does a “burning in the bosom” mean? Does it need to be a feeling of caloric heat, like the burning produced by combustion? If that is the meaning, I have never had a burning in the bosom. Surely, the word “burning” in this scripture signifies a feeling of comfort and serenity. That is the witness many receive. That is the way revelation works.
—Dallin H. Oaks, "Teaching and Learning by the Spirit," Ensign (March 1997): 14.
- Response to section: "Every major religion has members who claim the same thing: God or God’s spirit bore witness to them" [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "it would likewise be arrogant of a Latter-day Saint to deny their spiritual experiences and testimonies of the truthfulness of their own religion" [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "If God’s method to revealing truth is through feelings, it’s a pretty ineffective method"
- Response to section: "Joseph Smith received a revelation, through the peep stone in his hat, to send Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery to Toronto, Canada for the sole purpose of selling the copyright of the Book of Mormon"
- Response to section: "I saw a testimony as more than just spiritual experiences and feelings. I saw that we had evidence and logic on our side based on the correlated narrative I was fed by the Church about its origins." [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: Paul H. Dunn
- Response to section: "a testimony is to be found in the bearing of it"
- Response to section: "how can they be sure of the reliability of this same exact process in telling them that Mormonism is true?"
- Response to section: "I felt the Spirit watching 'Saving Private Ryan' and the 'Schindler’s List'. Both R-rated and horribly violent movies. I also felt the Spirit watching 'Forrest Gump' and the 'Lion King'."
- Response to section: "Why did I feel the Spirit as I listened to the stories of apostates sharing how they discovered for themselves that Mormonism is not true?" [Work in Progress]