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|claim=The author claims "Many Book of Mormon names and places are strikingly similar to many local names and places of the region Joseph Smith lived," and "We read in the Book of Mormon of the Land of Desolation named for a warrior named Teancum who helped General Moroni fight in the Land of Desolation. In Smith’s era, an Indian Chief named Tecumseh fought and died near the narrow neck of land helping the British in the War of 1812.  Today, the city Tecumseh (near the narrow neck of land) is named after him."  
 
|claim=The author claims "Many Book of Mormon names and places are strikingly similar to many local names and places of the region Joseph Smith lived," and "We read in the Book of Mormon of the Land of Desolation named for a warrior named Teancum who helped General Moroni fight in the Land of Desolation. In Smith’s era, an Indian Chief named Tecumseh fought and died near the narrow neck of land helping the British in the War of 1812.  Today, the city Tecumseh (near the narrow neck of land) is named after him."  
 
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*{{Answer}}The author is not only stating that the ''names'' are similar to those in the Book of Mormon, but also that the ''location of those names'' is similar (the references the author makes to the "narrow neck," for example). He does, after all, title this section "Book of Mormon Geography." In addition, since some of these names could have easily been taken from the Bible instead of the surrounding region, one must assume that their inclusion on the map also implies that their geographical locations relative to one another are important.
 
*{{Incorrect}} Looking at the geography, it is clear from Holley's map that a number of locations have been selected to make the names match the existing geography. Some examples:
 
**The map places Jacobugath, site of "King Jacob's" dissenters far in the land southward, when the Book of Mormon has it far in the land northward (3 Nephi 7:9-12; see also 3 Nephi 9:9).
 
**The map places the land of first inheritance [land of Lehi-Nephi] is on the eastern coast of the United States, while the Book of Mormon is clear that Lehi and his group landed on the western coast.
 
**The City of Morianton should be by the eastern seashore, near the city of Lehi (Alma 50:25).
 
**"Ramah" is the Jaredite name for the Hill Cumorah (Ether 15:11). The Hill Cumorah is not in Canada.
 
|link=Book of Mormon/Plagiarism accusations/Place names from North America/Holley map
 
|subject=North American place names - the Vernal Holley map
 
|summary=Vernal Holley has reconstructed a Book of Mormon geography based on a Great Lakes setting from the Book of Mormon text, which he then compares to the New England of Joseph Smith's day.
 
 
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[[Image:Holley Geography 1.png|500 px|Geography as proposed by Vernal Holley (1983).  Z = proposed city of Zarahemla site.  Bright blue line is the model's "River Sidon." Names in red represent towns not in existence at the time of the Book of Mormon's publication.  Note that the maps available at Mazeministries contain the following errors: 1) Jerusalem and Jacobsburg are too far apart; 2) Alma is too far to the east; 3) Mount Ephrim should be north-east, not north-west of Sherbrooke.]]
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[[File:CES.Letter.Great.Lakes.Map.jpg|800 px|An illustration of some of the geographical errors present in the version of the Holley geography that is used in "A Letter to a CES Director"]]
 
  
 
====Hill Cumorah====
 
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Response to "Book of Mormon Concerns & Questions"


A FAIR Analysis of:
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The absence of evidence is not proof. Here’s one small example:
Matthew Roper in a FairMormon Blog on June 17, 2013, writes about a criticism repeated many times over the years about the mention of steel in the Book of Mormon. In 1884, one critic wrote, “Laban’s sword was steel, when it is a notorious fact that the Israelites knew nothing of steel for hundreds of years afterwards. Who but as ignorant a person as Rigdon would have perpetuated all these blunders.”8 More recently, Thomas O’Dea in 1957 stated, “Every commentator on the Book of Mormon has pointed out the many cultural and historical anachronisms, such as the steel sword of Laban in 600 B.C.” [9]
We had no answer to these critics at the time, but as often happens in these matters, new discoveries in later years shed new light. Roper reports, “It is increasingly apparent that the practice of hardening iron through deliberate carburization, quenching and tempering was well known to the ancient world from which Nephi came. ‘It seems evident,’ notes one recent authority, ‘that by the beginning of the tenth century B.C. blacksmiths were intentionally steeling iron.’” [10] In 1987, the Ensign reported that archeologists had unearthed a long steel sword near Jericho dating back to the late seventh century B.C., probably to the reign of King Josiah who died shortly before Lehi began to prophesy. [11] This sword is now on display at Jerusalem’s Israel Museum. The museum’s explanatory sign reads in part, “The sword is made of iron hardened into steel, attesting to substantial metallurgical know-how.” [12]
—Elder D. Todd Christofferson, "The Prophet Joseph Smith", Brigham Young University-Idaho Devotional, September 24, 2013.

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"What are 1769 King James Version edition errors doing in the Book of Mormon?"

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"What are these 17th century italicized words doing in the Book of Mormon?"

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"The Book of Mormon includes mistranslated biblical passages that were later changed in Joseph Smith’s translation of the bible."

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"DNA analysis has concluded that Native American Indians do not originate from the Middle East"

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Anachronisms

Template:CESLetterItem During Joseph Smith's lifetime, most of the "archaeology" of the Book of Mormon did not match what was known about the early Americas.

By 2005, a number of features of the Book of Mormon text were known in the ancient Americas.  Yet, in 1842, many of these would have been seen as "errors" or "anachronisms".

Archaeology

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Book of Mormon Geography

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Theory of Book of Mormon place names from area around Joseph Smith's home


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Hill Cumorah

Modern map of the Comoros Islands
1830 Book of Mormon showing the spelling "Camorah"

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"'View of the Hebrews' compared to the Book of Mormon"

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"The Book of Mormon taught and still teaches a Trinitarian view of the Godhead"

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== Notes ==

  1. [note] Reflections of the Past : the story of Rama Township : a joint project of the Township of Rama and the Orillia Public Library, off-site