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Response to claims made in "Postscript" (paperback only)

437, n2

Claim

• Quoting Whelan: "[T]here still remains within the Church a limited form of plural marriage. Those husbands who have lost a beloved spouse and are left alone in this world can still be married for time and eternity to another wife....It is clear that all marriages continued in heaven will involve participation in plural marriage."

• Shane LeGrand Whelan, More Than One: Plural Marriage—A Sacred Heritage, A Promise for Tomorrow, 208.

• It is not clear what the author hopes to demonstrate by this claim, or why Shane Whelan's view carries any weight beyond his own opinions.

438

Claim

• "[M]ore than a few Mormons, although they had never actually read my book, declared without hesitation that it was rife with errors."

• Author's statement.

• FAIR can assure the author that we have read his book, and can declare without hesitation that both the hardbound and paperback version are rife with errors.

441, n10

Claim

• Boyd K. Packer said: "I have a hard time with historians because they idolize the truth."

• Roger D. Launius, Book Review, Journal of the West, reproduced online at Signature Books.

• Use of sources: Boyd K. Packer on the truth

442, n14

Claim

•  Author's quote: "Some of the harshest criticism I received from Mormons came from those who were irate over my depiction of Brigham Young....then I acquired a new book dealing with the issue—Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows by independent historian and Salt Lake Tribune columnist Will Bagley....This tremendously in-depth volume not only supported my perspective, but greatly expanded on my conclusions..."

• Author's statement.

• See Claims made in "Chapter 11: Bloody Brigham" for a list of claims and responses.
• Bagley's work has major problems, and the author shares many of them. See reviews of his work here.

442

Claim

• Did Will Bagley demonstrate that LDS leaders, and particularly Brigham Young, "probably" planned and executed the Mountain Meadows Massacre?

• Author's conclusion based upon Bagley's conclusion.

•  The author's claim is false: Use of sources: Brigham Young ordered Mountain Meadows Massacre?
• Reeve and Parshall noted that Bagley's treatment of Brigham Young and the Massacre derived from distorted evidence and misinterpretation (see here).

442

Claim

• Will Bagley, referring to a statement made by Quinn, said "The decision to do whatever was necessary to build the kingdom 'encouraged Mormons to consider it their religious right to kill antagonistic outsiders, common criminals, LDS apostates, and even faithful Mormons who committed sins worthy of death.'"

• Bagley, 42.

• Utah/Crime and violence/Crimes critics allege to have been "worthy of death" in the 1800's

443

Claim

• Did Will Bagley "prove the charge often dismissed by faithful LDS church members" that Latter-day Saints refused to sell any provisions to the Fancher party?

• Author's opinion.

• Use of sources: Orders to Starve Gentiles
• Mountain Meadows Massacre

443

Claim

•  Author's quote: "Blood of the Prophets once and for all dispelled the long-standing Mormon myth that members of the doomed company poisoned an important cattle stream, thereby almost deserving their fate."

• Author's opinion.

• Use of sources: Poisoning myth

443, 615n15 (PB)

Claim

• Bagley states "In their desire to exonerate Brigham Young of any guilt, official Mormon accounts of the crime laid the blame on victims and Indians, a tradition that is alive and well today."

• Bagley, xvii.

• Mountain Meadows Massacre
• Use of sources: Brigham Young ordered Mountain Meadows Massacre?
• The closest thing to an "official Mormon account" of the massacre is probably an Ensign article: "some 50 to 60 local militiamen in southern Utah, aided by American Indian allies, massacred about 120 emigrants who were traveling by wagon to California. The horrific crime, which spared only 17 children age six and under, occurred in a highland valley called the Mountain Meadows...."^[1]
• A new book coauthored by Turley expresses similar views.^[2]
• See link in previous row which demonstrates that some LDS historians have not 'blamed' the victims.

443, 615n16-18

Claim

• Did Brigham Young say: "[W]hen a man is found to be a thief, he will be a thief no longer, cut his throat, & thro' him in the River."

• Instruction to Bishops, quoted in Thomas Bullock diary, December 13, 1846. Cited in D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 657.;
• History of the Church, 7:597. Volume 7 link
• Thomas G. Alexander, Things in Heaven and Earth: The Life and Times of Wilford Woodruff, a Mormon Prophet, 182.
• Thomas G. Alexander, "Wilford Woodruff and the Mormon Reformation of 1855-57," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 25num=2 (Summer 1992), 27.

• The citations from Alexander deal with blood atonement and the Mormon Reformation. The author does not tell us that Alexander says in both places that "Young's references to blood atonement were probably hyperbole...."
• The author is repeating himself; these charges have been raised in Chapter 11.
• Use of sources: Brigham Young on thieves

444-446, n23-24

Claim

• Did past LDS leaders hold and expound racist views?

• Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, 101.
• Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 7:290-291.

• The author is repeating himself.
• Racist statements by Church leaders
• "Curse of Cain": Brigham Young in JD 7:290
• ONUG's double standard on race

446

Claim
 Author's quote: "Of course, when any religion or denomination is tainted by the stain of racism, it always leaves future members in a very awkward position. And to be fair, Mormonism is not alone in this predicament. A number of Christian denominations (e.g. the Southern Baptists) have had to work very hard at racial reconciliation, often using public declarations to repudiate past racist statements by leaders."

Author's source(s)

• N/A

Response

• There is, "of course," no hint of this perspective in the chapter branding members of the Church as racists with a "white supremacist" theology.
• ONUG's double standard on race

447, 616n31

Claim

• Did Gordon B. Hinckley "admit" in April 2002 that Latter-day Saints do not believe in the same 'Jesus' as non-LDS Christians?

•  ^{[needs work]}

• Mormons worship a different 'Jesus'?
• This was no "confession"—President Hinckley was bearing testimony of Christ. The Saints believe in the God of the Bible, which is consistent with Joseph Smith's vision. They do not accept the nonbiblical creeds added later. See:
  • President Hinckley believes in the biblical Christ
  • President Hinckley insists he is a Christian
  • Author's distorted "Mormon" Jesus vs. "Traditional" Jesus
• Jesus Christ/Latter-day Saints aren't Christians

448, 616n34

Claim

• Dallin Oaks told Latter-day Saints in 1995 "that so-called Christianity sees God as an entirely different kind of being."

• Dallin H. Oaks, "Apostasy and Restoration," Ensign (May 1995): 84.

•  Misrepresentation of source: Elder Oaks nowhere says "so-called Christianity," or uses the phrase "an entirely different kind of being."
• Use of sources: Dallin H. Oaks on God
• Nature of God/Corporeality of God
• Nature of God/Trinity/Nicene creed
• Latter-day Saints aren't Christians

Notes

1. ↑ Richard E. Turley, Jr., "The Mountain Meadows Massacre," Ensign (September 2007): 14.
2. ↑ Turley, Walker and Leonard, Massacre at Mountain Meadows, xii-xiii. notes: "One approach [to recounting the massacre] portrays the perpetrators as good people and the victims as evil ones who committed outrages during their travel through central and southern Utah. Some descendants of the perpetrators and several Mormon historians have adopted this approach because it seems, on the surface, to excuse or soften what happened....Readers of our book will find little sympathy for...[this] approach..."