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Denver Snuffer was excommunicated for apostasy on 11 September 2013 because of the claims made in his book ''[[Criticism_of_Mormonism/Books/Passing_the_Heavenly_Gift|Passing the Heavenly Gift]]''.<ref>Denver Snuffer, “Yesterday,” blog post (11 September 2013), {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/yesterday.html}}</ref> Following his excommunication, Snuffer has declared, among other things, that the Church's First Presidency has lost their authority, and claimed that Jesus appeared to him to instruct him. This wiki page examines his historical and other claims. | Denver Snuffer was excommunicated for apostasy on 11 September 2013 because of the claims made in his book ''[[Criticism_of_Mormonism/Books/Passing_the_Heavenly_Gift|Passing the Heavenly Gift]]''.<ref>Denver Snuffer, “Yesterday,” blog post (11 September 2013), {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/yesterday.html}}</ref> Following his excommunication, Snuffer has declared, among other things, that the Church's First Presidency has lost their authority, and claimed that Jesus appeared to him to instruct him. This wiki page examines his historical and other claims. | ||
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+ | Snuffer has announced that: | ||
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+ | :The Lord has said to me in His own voice, "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you." Therefore, I want to caution those who disagree with me, to feel free, to feel absolutely free to make the case against what I say. Feel free to disagree, and make your contrary arguments. If you believe I err, then expose the error and denounce it. But take care; take care about what you say concerning me for your sake, not for mine. I live with constant criticism. I can take it. But I do not want you provoking Divine ire by unfortunately chosen words if I can persuade you against it.<ref>{{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=4}}</ref> | ||
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+ | At his invitation, then, FairMormon undertakes to evaluate his public claims, statements, and teachings. We do not curse him, but simply offer the "contrary arguments" that he says that he welcomes. | ||
=FairMormon's response= | =FairMormon's response= | ||
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In developing our response, our primary intended audience is not necessarily Snuffer nor his associates, but rather those individuals, perhaps faithful Latter-day Saints, perhaps questioning, perhaps once-faithful but now sincerely doubting, who may have come across his teachings and been troubled by its contents. | In developing our response, our primary intended audience is not necessarily Snuffer nor his associates, but rather those individuals, perhaps faithful Latter-day Saints, perhaps questioning, perhaps once-faithful but now sincerely doubting, who may have come across his teachings and been troubled by its contents. | ||
+ | ==The choice== | ||
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+ | {{Epigraph|The course of events makes it clear that the Stake, the Seventy and the Twelve have all been involved and bear some responsibility for [my excommunication]. I need to afford the First Presidency the opportunity to bear responsibility as well.<br> | ||
+ | :::::— Denver Snuffer, Jr. to the First Presidency<ref></ref>}} | ||
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+ | {{Epigraph|Last general conference, the entire First Presidency, the 12, the 70, and all other general authorities and auxiliaries, voted to sustain those who abused their authority in casting me out of the church. At that moment, the Lord ended all claims of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to claim it is led by the priesthood.<br> | ||
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+ | {{parabreak}} | ||
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+ | {{Epigraph|I will give you one of the keys of the mysteries of the kingdom. It is an eternal principle that has existed with God from all Eternity that that man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly that that man is in the high road to apostacy and if he does not repent will apostatize as God lives[.]<br> | ||
+ | :::::— Joseph Smith, Jr.<ref> Joseph Smith remarks made at Brigham Young Dwelling, Montrose, Iowa Territory (Tuesday, 2 July 1839), recorded in Willard Richards Pocket Companion; cited in {{WJS|pages=413}} See also {{TPJS|pages=278}}</ref>}} | ||
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+ | Snuffer says that everyone is "out of the way"—the Prophet, the apostles, the entire Church leadership, have all lost any right to claim priesthood leadership. Why? Because he was excommunicated. | ||
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+ | Joseph Smith says that people who make claims such as Snuffer does are possessed with the spirit of apostasy, and not the spirit of God. | ||
==Untruths== | ==Untruths== | ||
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+ | {{Epigraph|I am repulsed by people claiming they are to be respected as some giant, freaking, priesthood key holding, omni-competent replacement for God! I am tired of that! I don't want any more of that! I've had enough!<br> | ||
+ | :::::— Denver Snuffer<ref>{{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=31}}</ref>}} | ||
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|claim=Snuffer told his stake president and the First Presidency: "I was shown a section of the Church Handbook of Instructions that mandated discipline for criticizing the church’s leaders. I explained I hadn’t done that. I quoted from past church leaders’ diaries, journals, talks, letters or writings. But I did not criticize.<ref>Snuffer to First Presidency, Letter (13 September 2013), reproduced in {{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=42}}</ref> | |claim=Snuffer told his stake president and the First Presidency: "I was shown a section of the Church Handbook of Instructions that mandated discipline for criticizing the church’s leaders. I explained I hadn’t done that. I quoted from past church leaders’ diaries, journals, talks, letters or writings. But I did not criticize.<ref>Snuffer to First Presidency, Letter (13 September 2013), reproduced in {{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=42}}</ref> | ||
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:The issue for consideration to [your] disciplinary council is whether the continued publication of ''Passing the Heavenly Gift'' constitutes an act of apostasy and, if so, what the appropriate remedy should be.... | :The issue for consideration to [your] disciplinary council is whether the continued publication of ''Passing the Heavenly Gift'' constitutes an act of apostasy and, if so, what the appropriate remedy should be.... | ||
− | :I cannot deny, however, the spirit’s influence on me and the responsibilities I have to protect the interests of the Church. I have tried to persuade you that [your book ''Passing the Heavenly Gift''] is not constructive to the work of salvation or the promotion of faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ.<ref>{{ | + | :I cannot deny, however, the spirit’s influence on me and the responsibilities I have to protect the interests of the Church. I have tried to persuade you that [your book ''Passing the Heavenly Gift''] is not constructive to the work of salvation or the promotion of faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ.<ref>M. Truman Hunt to Denver Snuffer, “Notice of Disciplinary Council,” letter (21 August 2013), 1–2. Online at Denver Snuffer, “Don’t call me. (Yes, that means you too!),” from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 23 August 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/08/dont-call-me-yes-that-means-you-too_23.html}}</ref> |
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+ | ==="Instructions from above" not from Salt Lake City=== | ||
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+ | Snuffer tells his followers: | ||
+ | :instruction from above...for me...has little to do with 47 East South Temple.<ref>Denver Snuffer, “Current Events,” from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 26 August 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/08/current-events.html}}</ref> | ||
===Snuffer sustains his leaders?=== | ===Snuffer sustains his leaders?=== | ||
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===Snuffer is "temple worthy"?=== | ===Snuffer is "temple worthy"?=== | ||
− | This issue would not be raised if Snuffer had not made it an issue. He | + | This issue would not be raised if Snuffer had not made it an issue. He told the First Presidency: |
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+ | :I was and am worthy of a Temple Recommend.<ref>Snuffer to First Presidency, Letter (13 September 2013), 2 reproduced in {{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=42}}</ref> | ||
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+ | He even enlists the stake president in this claim: | ||
− | :I was | + | :The stake president ''admitted to me and my wife'' before the Council began, that I was then worthy of a temple recommend (italics added).<ref>{{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=7}}</ref> |
One temple recommend question asks if the member sustains the President of the Church, First Presidency, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and his local leaders. Snuffer has made it clear he does not sustain any of these leaders because: | One temple recommend question asks if the member sustains the President of the Church, First Presidency, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and his local leaders. Snuffer has made it clear he does not sustain any of these leaders because: | ||
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* he claims that the prophet and the apostles do not have the priesthood keys that they claim to have;<ref>For an extensive evaluation of these claims, see {{Criticism_of_Mormonism/Books/Passing_the_Heavenly_Gift/Source_of_authority_of_Brigham_Young_and_the_apostles_after_Joseph%27s_death|here}}.</ref> | * he claims that the prophet and the apostles do not have the priesthood keys that they claim to have;<ref>For an extensive evaluation of these claims, see {{Criticism_of_Mormonism/Books/Passing_the_Heavenly_Gift/Source_of_authority_of_Brigham_Young_and_the_apostles_after_Joseph%27s_death|here}}.</ref> | ||
* he has refused to refrain from publishing what his stake president referred to as "mischaracterized doctrine" in a book whose "thesis is in direct conflict with church doctrine"<ref>M. Truman Hunt to Denver Snuffer, “Notice of Disciplinary Council,” letter (21 August 2013), 1–2. Online at Denver Snuffer, “Don’t call me. (Yes, that means you too!),” from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 23 August 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/08/dont-call-me-yes-that-means-you-too_23.html}}</ref> He has done so even when he knows that a member of the Quorum of the Twelve has reviewed the book.<ref>Snuffer claims that "the Seventy and Elder Christofferson of the Twelve were going to review the book and President Hunt was to “stand down” until he heard further....President Hunt called me in again after he had received further direction from the hierarchy and | * he has refused to refrain from publishing what his stake president referred to as "mischaracterized doctrine" in a book whose "thesis is in direct conflict with church doctrine"<ref>M. Truman Hunt to Denver Snuffer, “Notice of Disciplinary Council,” letter (21 August 2013), 1–2. Online at Denver Snuffer, “Don’t call me. (Yes, that means you too!),” from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 23 August 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/08/dont-call-me-yes-that-means-you-too_23.html}}</ref> He has done so even when he knows that a member of the Quorum of the Twelve has reviewed the book.<ref>Snuffer claims that "the Seventy and Elder Christofferson of the Twelve were going to review the book and President Hunt was to “stand down” until he heard further....President Hunt called me in again after he had received further direction from the hierarchy and | ||
− | told me there was church ordered compulsion to withdraw the book from publication or face discipline.</ref> | + | told me there was church ordered compulsion to withdraw the book from publication or face discipline." [Snuffer to First Presidency, Letter (13 September 2013), 1–2; reproduced in {{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=41-42}}] Thus, Snuffer knows that an apostle and others do not wish him to continue to make the claims that he is making, but he does not stop doing so.</ref> |
− | * he has refused to comply with disciplinary council procedures, despite his stake president's request (see above). | + | * he has refused to comply with disciplinary council procedures, despite his stake president's request. He had so little respect for the procedures that he refused to attend when his demands were not met (see above). |
Snuffer's claim is false—by his own description of his behavior, he was not "worthy of a temple recommend." He either does not understand the temple recommend questions, or he is being dishonest with his readers, the First Presidency, and perhaps himself. | Snuffer's claim is false—by his own description of his behavior, he was not "worthy of a temple recommend." He either does not understand the temple recommend questions, or he is being dishonest with his readers, the First Presidency, and perhaps himself. | ||
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+ | He also says: | ||
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+ | :I had a current temple recommend at the time of the disciplinary council. I was not asked to return it before the council, nor asked to return it even after the council’s decision. It expired in March, 2014, six months after excommunication.<ref>{{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=7n9}}</ref> | ||
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+ | Snuffer's recommend would have been automatically deactivated upon his excommunication; this is done electronically, and should not be interpreted to mean—as Snuffer implies by raising it—that he was known to be worthy and no one dared say otherwise. | ||
===Conclusion=== | ===Conclusion=== |
Denver Snuffer was excommunicated for apostasy on 11 September 2013 because of the claims made in his book Passing the Heavenly Gift.[1] Following his excommunication, Snuffer has declared, among other things, that the Church's First Presidency has lost their authority, and claimed that Jesus appeared to him to instruct him. This wiki page examines his historical and other claims.
Snuffer has announced that:
At his invitation, then, FairMormon undertakes to evaluate his public claims, statements, and teachings. We do not curse him, but simply offer the "contrary arguments" that he says that he welcomes.
In developing our response, our primary intended audience is not necessarily Snuffer nor his associates, but rather those individuals, perhaps faithful Latter-day Saints, perhaps questioning, perhaps once-faithful but now sincerely doubting, who may have come across his teachings and been troubled by its contents.
The course of events makes it clear that the Stake, the Seventy and the Twelve have all been involved and bear some responsibility for [my excommunication]. I need to afford the First Presidency the opportunity to bear responsibility as well.
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{{Epigraph|Last general conference, the entire First Presidency, the 12, the 70, and all other general authorities and auxiliaries, voted to sustain those who abused their authority in casting me out of the church. At that moment, the Lord ended all claims of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to claim it is led by the priesthood.
I will give you one of the keys of the mysteries of the kingdom. It is an eternal principle that has existed with God from all Eternity that that man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly that that man is in the high road to apostacy and if he does not repent will apostatize as God lives[.]
- — Joseph Smith, Jr.[3]
Snuffer says that everyone is "out of the way"—the Prophet, the apostles, the entire Church leadership, have all lost any right to claim priesthood leadership. Why? Because he was excommunicated.
Joseph Smith says that people who make claims such as Snuffer does are possessed with the spirit of apostasy, and not the spirit of God.
I am repulsed by people claiming they are to be respected as some giant, freaking, priesthood key holding, omni-competent replacement for God! I am tired of that! I don't want any more of that! I've had enough!
- — Denver Snuffer[4]
Snuffer told his stake president and the First Presidency: "I was shown a section of the Church Handbook of Instructions that mandated discipline for criticizing the church’s leaders. I explained I hadn’t done that. I quoted from past church leaders’ diaries, journals, talks, letters or writings. But I did not criticize.[5]
This claim is blatantly false. Snuffer's book is filled with criticism of the Church's leaders:
He compares modern leaders to the Popes, making false claims:
If this is not a criticism, what is it?
He repeatedly labels all general leaders since Nauvoo as "proud":
To be "proud" is to be guilty of great sin. This is a criticism. Snuffer's claim to not criticize is false.
Snuffer writes:
LDS prophets and apostles claim to be true messengers from God. Snuffer says that they are not. This is a criticism. Snuffer's claim to not criticize is false.
Snuffer claims that senior Church leadership engineered his excommunication.[12] He does not tell us, however, that his stake president made it clear that he was acting based upon a spiritual manifestation to him:
Snuffer tells his followers:
When he arrived at his disciplinary hearing, Snuffer tells us that:
Yet, Snuffer would not even respect disciplinary council procedures and the stake president's decision to exclude Snuffer's children from the proceeding.
Snuffer makes it sound as if he was refused admission to the council:
In fact, however, he was simply not permitted to use the council to serve his own agenda. He could have spoken with the High Council, but instead, chose to leave without participating or learning of the council's decision:
Later, Snuffer would claim that the high council
This is nonsense. Snuffer's behavior was simply further proof that the charges were true—he was in active apostasy, would not respect the reasonable requests of his priesthood leaders. It had nothing to do with them using "dominion"—they had so little dominion that they couldn't even compel Snuffer to come into the room if he chose not to. All they could do was ratify what Snuffer had already done—cut himself off from the Church.
This issue would not be raised if Snuffer had not made it an issue. He told the First Presidency:
He even enlists the stake president in this claim:
One temple recommend question asks if the member sustains the President of the Church, First Presidency, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and his local leaders. Snuffer has made it clear he does not sustain any of these leaders because:
Snuffer's claim is false—by his own description of his behavior, he was not "worthy of a temple recommend." He either does not understand the temple recommend questions, or he is being dishonest with his readers, the First Presidency, and perhaps himself.
He also says:
Snuffer's recommend would have been automatically deactivated upon his excommunication; this is done electronically, and should not be interpreted to mean—as Snuffer implies by raising it—that he was known to be worthy and no one dared say otherwise.
To the extent I have ever spoken about living church leaders I have praised them.
- — Denver Snuffer[23]
Snuffer's account is not accurate. He has repeatedly criticized and attacked Church leaders.
Snuffer claims that his stake president agree with this after he 'explained' it to him:
However, his stake president seems to see the matter very differently, as revealed in a letter he wrote to Snuffer which Snuffer made public:
It seems more likely, then, that Snuffer's stake president concluded that further attempts to reason with Snuffer on this issue was pointless. Anyone who can make so many criticisms and complaints, and then insist with a straight face that they've never criticized Church leaders is either dishonest, or not open to reasoned discussion.
[There is] no salvation between the two lids of the bible without a legal administrator.
- —Joseph Smith[26]
"Even if you give the most optimistic assessment of the restoration and current condition of the church it can do nothing for the individual Latter-day Saint. We must all find salvation for ourselves.[27]
The Doctrine and Covenants teaches that some things are required from the Church for full salvation to its members. The Lord says of those who have acted wickedly:
These scriptures teach that it is a great tragedy and punishment if:
Joseph Smith always administered these things through the Church's organizational structure: these ordinances require legitimate authority, and are important for exaltation, contrary to Snuffer's claims.
Just before his death, Joseph emphasized:
Snuffer's efforts to dismiss the importance of the Church and its ordinances via priesthood authority lead him to preach false doctrine.
"[I]t would be good to have an authorized minister to perform the ordinance [of baptism, but] it does not matter whether there is an officiator with authority from God on the earth or not...."[29]
The scriptures and Joseph Smith repeatedly teach that an authorized priesthood holder is necessary for ordinances, including baptism:
"[I]t would be good to have an authorized minister to perform the ordinance [of baptism, but] it does not matter whether there is an officiator with authority from God on the earth or not...."[30]
Snuffer claims anyone can baptize without authority, but the Doctrine and Covenants teaches that not even all priesthood offices can baptize:
The scripture tells us precisely who may baptize:
Snuffer claims God has called him to preach his doctrines. [needs work][32]
The scriptures tell us that one may not preach the gospel or build up the Church without known authority:
Not only does Snuffer have no authority from the heads of the Church, he certainly not been "regularly ordained." Instead, he has been excommunicated for apostasy.
His teachings and claims violate the scriptures he claims to uphold.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 42:11)
" If the Holy Ghost will visit you even without an authoritative ordinance then the responsibility to live so as to invite the Spirit is all you need to have that same companionship the ordinance could confer...."[33]
Snuffer claims that receiving the ordinance of confirmation and the gift of the Holy Ghost makes no difference. But, Joseph Smith taught the opposite:
Snuffer is teaching false doctrine about the Restoration.
Ordinances do not need to be performed by one with legitimate Church authority, since "the required priestly authority is still available through the veil."[35]
Snuffer again contradicts Joseph Smith, who made it very clear that no ordinances would be performed by divine messengers once the authority had been conferred on mortals:
Snuffer claims the Church has lost the fullness, but "[t]he required priestly authority is still available through the veil."[37]
Snuffer claims that the Church has lost vital priesthood authority, and so ordinances do not need it, or Snuffer's followers can get it "through the veil."
Joseph Smith said that the Church would never lack priesthood authority, and that if someone claimed a heavenly messenger had brought them authority, they were either:
"You do not need buildings to meet. Tithing is for the poor."[39]
The Doctrine and Covenants teaches a different doctrine. For example, tithing is commanded for the building of temples:
Likewise D&C 117꞉2-3 commands tithing for a variety of purposes:
Thus, tithing is properly used for temples and other activities consistent with building the kingdom of God ("laying the foundation of Zion and for the priesthood"). Joseph Smith used tithing for such purposes throughout his administration.
"The poor" are nowhere mentioned in these commands, since the scriptures have a different mechanism for providing for them—the fast (Isaiah 58:6-7).
"[My book Passing the Heavenly Gift is] the most correct account of our dispensation written so far...."[40]
Despite this grandiose claim, Snuffer's book is filled with historical errors, omissions, and misrepresentations.
"Joseph Smith only built one building—a temple."[41]
This claim is false. The Doctrine and Covenants commands that consecrated Church funds be used for a variety of purposes:
Through Joseph, the Lord directed the construction of many buildings besides temples:
Snuffer's history is simply wrong, and he makes false claims based upon his false history.
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