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*Moroni said that he was ''writing'' using a form of "reformed Egyptian," meaning that he was using a version of Egyptian ''characters'' that had been modified by his people over the years. He did ''not'' claim that their ''language'' was called "Reformed Egyptian."
 
*Moroni said that he was ''writing'' using a form of "reformed Egyptian," meaning that he was using a version of Egyptian ''characters'' that had been modified by his people over the years. He did ''not'' claim that their ''language'' was called "Reformed Egyptian."
 
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And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the '''characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian''', being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech.
 
And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the '''characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian''', being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech.
 
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|claim=The author states that Joseph's followers would ask "How do we really ''know'' the Book of Mormon is what you say?" and "Show us the ''plates'' &mdash; if there ever ''were''any!"
 
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Revision as of 19:35, 12 December 2016

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Response to claims made in "Chapter 1: How It All Began"


A work by author: Charles M. Larson
 Claims made in "Chapter 2: The Book of Abraham: A Timely Document"

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Claim
The author claims that the Book of Mormon was written "in a strange, long-forgotten language called Reformed Egyptian."

Author's source(s)

  • Mormon 9:32

Response
 FAIR WIKI EDITORS: Check sources


Fact checking results: The author has stated erroneous information or misinterpreted their sources

  • Moroni said that he was writing using a form of "reformed Egyptian," meaning that he was using a version of Egyptian characters that had been modified by his people over the years. He did not claim that their language was called "Reformed Egyptian."
  • Observe in Mormon 9꞉32

And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech.


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Claim
The author states that Joseph's followers would ask "How do we really know the Book of Mormon is what you say?" and "Show us the plates — if there ever wereany!"

Author's source(s)
None cited.

Response
 FAIR WIKI EDITORS: Check sources


Fact checking results: This claim contains propaganda - The author, or the author's source, is providing information or ideas in a slanted way in order to instill a particular attitude or response in the reader

Despite these statements appearing in quotes, they appear to be some sort of conjecture on the part of the author.


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The author claims that Church growth in Kirtland "became stagnant" until Joseph acquired the papyri and translated them, thus impressing the Church with his ability as a seer.

Author's source(s)
None cited.

Response
 FAIR WIKI EDITORS: Check sources


Fact checking results: This claim is false

  • John Gee responds to this claim:

But the Kirtland apostasy took place in 1837-38, two years after Joseph Smith began work on the book of Abraham. Moreover, rather than stagnating, "the LDS population in Kirtland multiplied from about 100 in 1832 to over 1,286 in 1836."7 In Kirtland alone, the Church was nearly doubling annually at this time. This is stagnation? Larson provides no documentation for any of his claims here; his approach is pure, unsubstantiated speculation.
—John Gee, "A Tragedy of Errors. A review of 'By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyri' by Charles M. Larson,' FARMS Review, Volume - 4, Issue - 1, Pages: 93-119 off-site


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