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There were no references to the First Vision in the 1830s. | There were no references to the First Vision in the 1830s. | ||
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*[[First Vision/No reference to First Vision in 1830s publications|No reference to First Vision in 1830s publications?]] | *{{FalseStatement}}: [[First Vision/No reference to First Vision in 1830s publications|No reference to First Vision in 1830s publications?]] | ||
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*[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Different age provided|Different age provided in the 1832 text]] | *[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Different age provided|Different age provided in the 1832 text]] | ||
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*[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Only one Personage appears|Only one Personage appears in the 1832 account]] | *[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Only one Personage appears|Only one Personage appears in the 1832 account]] | ||
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The personages in the 1835 version are not explicitly identified as God the Father and Jesus Christ. | The personages in the 1835 version are not explicitly identified as God the Father and Jesus Christ. | ||
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*[[First Vision/Accounts/1835/Mentions "Angels"|The "Angels" of the 1835 account]] | *{{HistoricalDistortion}}: [[First Vision/Accounts/1835/Mentions "Angels"|The "Angels" of the 1835 account]] | ||
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The 1835 account talks about a visitation of angels instead of the Father and Son. | The 1835 account talks about a visitation of angels instead of the Father and Son. | ||
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*[[First Vision/Accounts/1835/Mentions "Angels"|The "Angels" of the 1835 account]] | *{{FalseStatement}}[[First Vision/Accounts/1835/Mentions "Angels"|The "Angels" of the 1835 account]] | ||
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*''Deseret News'', vol. 2, no.15, May 29, 1852 | *''Deseret News'', vol. 2, no.15, May 29, 1852 | ||
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Joseph's claim of seeing the Father and the Son was not unique. | Joseph's claim of seeing the Father and the Son was not unique. | ||
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* So what? Jesus' teaching of repentance was not unique either. | |||
* One must assess the fruits of Joseph's prophetic ministry. How many of those who claimed visions also produced a 500+ page book in less than three months? | |||
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Oliver Cowdery's 1834 history in the Messenger and Advocate did not mention the First Vision. | Oliver Cowdery's 1834 history in the Messenger and Advocate did not mention the First Vision. | ||
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*[[First Vision/Accounts/Oliver Cowdery not aware of First Vision in 1834-35|Oliver Cowdery not aware of First Vision in 1834-35]] | *{{HistoricalError}}: [[First Vision/Accounts/Oliver Cowdery not aware of First Vision in 1834-35|Oliver Cowdery not aware of First Vision in 1834-35]] | ||
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*''Latter Day Saint's Messenger and Advocate'' 1:42, Feb.1835. | *''Latter Day Saint's Messenger and Advocate'' 1:42, Feb.1835. | ||
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*This is an absurd claim on the part of the authors. | *{{Absurd}}: This is an absurd claim on the part of the authors, with (as is usual with such things) no evidence presented. | ||
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The Book of Mormon teaches that there is only one God. | The Book of Mormon teaches that there is only one God. | ||
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* Members of the Church believe that God is one. They also believe that more than one personage can be spoken of as God. | |||
* [[Polytheism|Monotheism vs. Polytheism?]] | |||
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*{{s||Mosiah|15|1-2}} | *{{s||Mosiah|15|1-2}} | ||
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Brigham Young denied that the Lord came to Joseph Smith in the First Vision. | Brigham Young denied that the Lord came to Joseph Smith in the First Vision. | ||
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*[[First Vision/Accounts/Brigham Young said the Lord didn't appear|Brigham Young said the Lord didn't appear]] | *{{FalseStatement}}[[First Vision/Accounts/Brigham Young said the Lord didn't appear|Brigham Young said the Lord didn't appear]] | ||
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*{{JDwiki|author=Brigham | *{{JDwiki|author=Brigham Young|url=http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_2/The_Constitution_and_Government_of_the_United_States,_etc.|vol=2|pages=171}} | ||
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John Taylor claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision. | John Taylor claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision. | ||
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*[[First Vision/Accounts/John Taylor's understanding of the First Vision|John Taylor's understanding of the First Vision]] | *{{FalseStatement}}: [[First Vision/Accounts/John Taylor's understanding of the First Vision|John Taylor's understanding of the First Vision]] | ||
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*{{JDwiki|author=John Taylor|url=http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_20/The_Natural_Weakness_of_Men,_etc. | *{{JDwiki|author=John Taylor|url=http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_20/The_Natural_Weakness_of_Men,_etc.|vol=20|pages=167}} | ||
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George A. Smith claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision. | George A. Smith claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision. | ||
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*[[George A. Smith said First Vision was an "angel"]] | *{{FalseStatement}}: [[George A. Smith said First Vision was an "angel"]] | ||
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*{{JDwiki|author=George A. Smith|url=http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_12/The_Sacrament,_etc.|vol=12|pages=333-34}} | *{{JDwiki|author=George A. Smith|url=http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_12/The_Sacrament,_etc.|vol=12|pages=333-34}} | ||
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| Chapter 5 | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Jerald and Sandra Tanner
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Chapter 7 |
Claims made in Chapter 6: The First Vision
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Oliver Cowdery's 1834 attempt at writing a history of the Church ignored the First Vision. |
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In 1832 Joseph had a revelation that said that a man could not see God without the priesthood. |
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There were no references to the First Vision in the 1830s. |
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Joseph's 1832 account mentions that he was in the 16th year of his age rather than the 15th. |
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The 1832 account only mentions one personage. |
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The personages in the 1835 version are not explicitly identified as God the Father and Jesus Christ. |
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The 1835 account talks about a visitation of angels instead of the Father and Son. |
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159 |
Joseph's claim of seeing the Father and the Son was not unique. |
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Oliver Cowdery's 1834 history in the Messenger and Advocate did not mention the First Vision. |
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162 |
"Mormon apologists are beginning to retreat from the idea that God the Father appeared to Joseph Smith" |
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162-163 |
The Book of Mormon teaches that there is only one God. |
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Brigham Young denied that the Lord came to Joseph Smith in the First Vision. |
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164 |
John Taylor claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision. |
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George A. Smith claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision. |
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There was no revival in the area where Joseph Smith lived in 1820. |