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===Claims made in Chapter 1: A Marvelous Work?===
 
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*Joseph Smith stated that the final battle in the Book of Mormon was fought in New York.
 
*Joseph Smith stated that the final battle in the Book of Mormon was fought in New York.
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*[[Book of Mormon geography/New World#The Hill Cumorah|Book of Mormon geography—New World—The Hill Cumorah]]
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*[[Book of Mormon/Geography/New World#The Hill Cumorah|Book of Mormon geography—New World—The Hill Cumorah]]
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*''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 175.
 
*''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 175.
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*Bruce R. McConkie said that Brigham Young stated that there was a cave in the Hill Cumorah that was full of records.
 
*Bruce R. McConkie said that Brigham Young stated that there was a cave in the Hill Cumorah that was full of records.
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*[[Archaeology and the Hill Cumorah#Is there a cave in the Hill Cumorah containing the Nephite records?|Archaeology and the Hill Cumorah—Is there a cave in the Hill Cumorah containing the Nephite records?]]
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*[[Book of Mormon/Archaeology/Hill Cumorah#Is there a cave in the Hill Cumorah containing the Nephite records?|Archaeology and the Hill Cumorah—Is there a cave in the Hill Cumorah containing the Nephite records?]]
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*''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 454.
 
*''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 454.
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*The Hill Cumorah is one of the "most important places on earth" to Mormons.
 
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*Joseph Smith found a seer stone while digging a well.
 
*Joseph Smith found a seer stone while digging a well.
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*[[Joseph Smith and seer stones]]
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*[[Joseph Smith/Seer stones]]
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*B.H. Roberts, ''Comprehensive History of the Church'', vol.1, p.129.
 
*B.H. Roberts, ''Comprehensive History of the Church'', vol.1, p.129.
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*LeGrand Richards claimed that Mormons do not have to rely on the Bible.
 
*LeGrand Richards claimed that Mormons do not have to rely on the Bible.
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* {{CitationError}}: Page 41 of this work contains a reprint of the Joseph Smith story (i.e., {{s||JS-H|1|26-28}}).  The word "bible" is used only once in the entire chapter (p. 43), where Richards cites {{s||JS-H|1|36}}.
 
* {{CitationError}}: Page 41 of this work contains a reprint of the Joseph Smith story (i.e., {{s||JS-H|1|26-28}}).  The word "bible" is used only once in the entire chapter (p. 43), where Richards cites {{s||JS-H|1|36}}.
 
* It is true, though, that Joseph Smith did not gain all his knowledge about God from the Bible, but through direct revelation.
 
* It is true, though, that Joseph Smith did not gain all his knowledge about God from the Bible, but through direct revelation.
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*''A Marvelous Work and a Wonder'', p. 41.
 
*''A Marvelous Work and a Wonder'', p. 41.
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*Mormon leaders taught that the Garden of Eden was located in Jackson County.
 
*Mormon leaders taught that the Garden of Eden was located in Jackson County.
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*[[Garden of Eden in Missouri?]]
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*[[Garden of Eden in Missouri]]
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*''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 20.
 
*''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 20.
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*A remnant of Adam's altar remained in Missouri.
 
*A remnant of Adam's altar remained in Missouri.
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*[[Garden of Eden in Missouri?#Adam-ondi-Ahman|Garden of Eden in Missouri?&mdash;Adam-ondi-Ahman]]
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*[[Garden of Eden in Missouri#Adam-ondi-Ahman|Garden of Eden in Missouri?&mdash;Adam-ondi-Ahman]]
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*''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 21.
 
*''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 21.
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*Joseph Smith taught that Noah built his ark "near Carolina."  
 
*Joseph Smith taught that Noah built his ark "near Carolina."  
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*''The Juvenile Instructor'', Nov. 15, 1895, pp. 700-1.
 
*''The Juvenile Instructor'', Nov. 15, 1895, pp. 700-1.
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*Joseph Smith described the inhabitants of the moon.
 
*Joseph Smith described the inhabitants of the moon.
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*[[Joseph Smith and moonmen]]
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*[[Joseph Smith/Moon inhabited]]
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*Journal of Oliver B. Huntington
 
*Journal of Oliver B. Huntington
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*Brigham Young taught that the moon and sun were inhabited.
 
*Brigham Young taught that the moon and sun were inhabited.
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*[[Brigham Young and moonmen]]
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*[[Joseph Smith/Moon inhabited]]
 
*{{QuoteMining|Journal of Discourses|13:271}}
 
*{{QuoteMining|Journal of Discourses|13:271}}
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=31|vol=13|start=271}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=31|vol=13|start=271}}
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*Orson Pratt preached against the Catholic Church
 
*Orson Pratt preached against the Catholic Church
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*[[Great and abominable church]]
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*[[Book of Mormon/Great and abominable church]]
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*''Pamphlets by Orson Pratt'', p. 112
 
*''Pamphlets by Orson Pratt'', p. 112
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*John Taylor taught that "we are the saviors of the world."
 
*John Taylor taught that "we are the saviors of the world."
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*{{QuoteMining|Journal of Discourses|6:163}}
 
*{{QuoteMining|Journal of Discourses|6:163}}
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=John Taylor|disc=25|vol=6|start=163}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=John Taylor|disc=25|vol=6|start=163}}
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*Joseph Fielding Smith taught that Mormons are "the best people in the world."
 
*Joseph Fielding Smith taught that Mormons are "the best people in the world."
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*This claim is repeated in ''One Nation Under Gods'' and is responded to here: [[One Nation Under Gods/Use of sources/Morally, ethically, spiritually superior|Mormons believe they are morally, ethically, spiritually superior to others?]]
 
*This claim is repeated in ''One Nation Under Gods'' and is responded to here: [[One Nation Under Gods/Use of sources/Morally, ethically, spiritually superior|Mormons believe they are morally, ethically, spiritually superior to others?]]
 
*{{QuoteMining|Doctrines of Salvation|1:236}}
 
*{{QuoteMining|Doctrines of Salvation|1:236}}
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*{{DoS1|vol=1|start=236}}
 
*{{DoS1|vol=1|start=236}}
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*Brigham Young claimed that every person that does not confess that Joseph Smith was a prophet is "anti-Christ."
 
*Brigham Young claimed that every person that does not confess that Joseph Smith was a prophet is "anti-Christ."
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*[[Joseph Smith's status in LDS belief]]  
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*[[Joseph Smith/Status in LDS belief]]  
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*{{HoC1|vol=7|start=287}}
 
*{{HoC1|vol=7|start=287}}
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*Joseph Fielding Smith taught that there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.
 
*Joseph Fielding Smith taught that there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.
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*[[Joseph Smith's status in LDS belief]]
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*[[Joseph Smith/Status in LDS belief]]
 
*{{QuoteMining|Doctrines of Salvation|1:189-90}}
 
*{{QuoteMining|Doctrines of Salvation|1:189-90}}
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*{{DoS|vol=1|start=189|end=190}}
 
*{{DoS|vol=1|start=189|end=190}}
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Revision as of 23:59, 28 January 2010


A FAIR Analysis of:
Criticism of Mormonism/Books
A work by author: Jerald and Sandra Tanner

Claims made in Chapter 1: A Marvelous Work?

21

Claim
  • Joseph Smith stated that the final battle in the Book of Mormon was fought in New York.

Author's source(s)
  • Mormon Doctrine, p. 175.
Response

21

Claim
  • Bruce R. McConkie said that Brigham Young stated that there was a cave in the Hill Cumorah that was full of records.

Author's source(s)
  • Mormon Doctrine, p. 454.
Response

22

Claim
  • Joseph Smith found a seer stone while digging a well.

Author's source(s)
  • B.H. Roberts, Comprehensive History of the Church, vol.1, p.129.
Response

22

Claim
  • LeGrand Richards claimed that Mormons do not have to rely on the Bible.

Author's source(s)
  • A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, p. 41.
Response
  •  Citation error: Page 41 of this work contains a reprint of the Joseph Smith story (i.e., JS-H 1꞉26-28). The word "bible" is used only once in the entire chapter (p. 43), where Richards cites JS-H 1꞉36.
  • It is true, though, that Joseph Smith did not gain all his knowledge about God from the Bible, but through direct revelation.

22

Claim
  • Mormon leaders taught that the Garden of Eden was located in Jackson County.

Author's source(s)
  • Mormon Doctrine, p. 20.
Response

22

Claim
  • A remnant of Adam's altar remained in Missouri.

Author's source(s)
  • Mormon Doctrine, p. 21.
Response

23

Claim
  • Joseph Smith taught that Noah built his ark "near Carolina."

Author's source(s)
  • The Juvenile Instructor, Nov. 15, 1895, pp. 700-1.
Response
 FAIR WIKI EDITORS: Check sources

23

Claim
  • Joseph Smith described the inhabitants of the moon.

Author's source(s)
  • Journal of Oliver B. Huntington
Response

25

Claim
  • Brigham Young taught that the moon and sun were inhabited.

Author's source(s)
Response

27

Claim
  • Orson Pratt preached against the Catholic Church

Author's source(s)
  • Pamphlets by Orson Pratt, p. 112
Response

27

Claim
  • John Taylor taught that "we are the saviors of the world."

Author's source(s)
Response

27

Claim
  • Joseph Fielding Smith taught that Mormons are "the best people in the world."

Author's source(s)
  • Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols., (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954–56), 236.
Response

27

Claim
  • Brigham Young claimed that every person that does not confess that Joseph Smith was a prophet is "anti-Christ."

Author's source(s)
  • Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 volumes, edited by Brigham H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1957), 7:287. Volume 7 link
Response

27

Claim
  • Joseph Fielding Smith taught that there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.

Author's source(s)
  • Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols., (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954–56),189–190.
Response