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*The author extracts the following passage: | *The author extracts the following passage: | ||
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"...two who were vary friends indeed should lie down upon the same bed at night locked in each other['s] embrace talking of their love & should awake in the morning together. They could immediately renew their conversation of love even while rising from their bed." | "...two who were vary friends indeed should lie down upon the same bed at night locked in each other['s] embrace talking of their love & should awake in the morning together. They could immediately renew their conversation of love even while rising from their bed." | ||
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*The author butchers this quote, turning a speech about being buried near loved ones while awaiting the resurrection into advocacy of "bedtime snuggling" | *The author butchers this quote, turning a speech about being buried near loved ones while awaiting the resurrection into advocacy of "bedtime snuggling" | ||
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*See also: {{FR-10-1-5}} | *See also: {{FR-10-1-5}} | ||
*See also: {{FR-10-1-6}} | *See also: {{FR-10-1-6}} | ||
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*Scott G. Kenney, ed., ''Wilford Woodruff's Journal: 1833-1898 Typescript'', 9 vols. and index (Midvale, Utah: Signature Books, 1983-91), 2:227. | *Scott G. Kenney, ed., ''Wilford Woodruff's Journal: 1833-1898 Typescript'', 9 vols. and index (Midvale, Utah: Signature Books, 1983-91), 2:227. | ||
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*The book claims that Dan Jones reported that in Carthage Joseph came "and lay himself by my side in close embrace." The author then concludes "the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith enjoyed bedtime snuggling with male friends throughout his life" | *The book claims that Dan Jones reported that in Carthage Joseph came "and lay himself by my side in close embrace." The author then concludes "the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith enjoyed bedtime snuggling with male friends throughout his life" | ||
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*The claim is nonsense, at least in the sense which the author intends us to take it—he implies that Joseph tolerated homosexual behavior, when these quotations in context say nothing of the sort. He is speaking about family bonds and the resurrection, not gay sex. | *The claim is nonsense, at least in the sense which the author intends us to take it—he implies that Joseph tolerated homosexual behavior, when these quotations in context say nothing of the sort. He is speaking about family bonds and the resurrection, not gay sex. | ||
*Mitton and James note that "Quinn arbitrarily changes this to "in a close embrace," a form not found in the text." (note 47). | *Mitton and James note that "Quinn arbitrarily changes this to "in a close embrace," a form not found in the text." (note 47). | ||
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*Dan Jones to Thomas Bullock, 20 January 1855, in {{BYUS1|author=Ronald D. Dennis, ed.|article=The Martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum Smith|vol=24|num=1|date=1984|start=101}} {Spelling and punctuation as in the original.){{link|url=http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=1527}} | *Dan Jones to Thomas Bullock, 20 January 1855, in {{BYUS1|author=Ronald D. Dennis, ed.|article=The Martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum Smith|vol=24|num=1|date=1984|start=101}} {Spelling and punctuation as in the original.){{link|url=http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=1527}} | ||
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*The author claims that Joseph "never once mentioned husband-wife relationships . . . remarkable in a sermon on loving relationships in this life and in the resurrection during which the prophet repeatedly spoke of "brothers and friends," fathers and sons, mothers, daughters and sisters. Smith's silence concerning husbands and wives was deafening in this sermon about attachments of love . . . but I do see that as the first Mormon expression of male bonding." | *The author claims that Joseph "never once mentioned husband-wife relationships . . . remarkable in a sermon on loving relationships in this life and in the resurrection during which the prophet repeatedly spoke of "brothers and friends," fathers and sons, mothers, daughters and sisters. Smith's silence concerning husbands and wives was deafening in this sermon about attachments of love . . . but I do see that as the first Mormon expression of male bonding." | ||
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*Note that this is, (contrary to the author's claim) in fact, "the closest allusion to the doctrine of eternal marriage the Prophet had yet made in public discourse." | *Note that this is, (contrary to the author's claim) in fact, "the closest allusion to the doctrine of eternal marriage the Prophet had yet made in public discourse." | ||
*This seems unlikely, given that fathers and mothers in glory must imply heterosexual relationships. Joseph also comforted Marcellus Bates, saying "You shall soon have the company of your companion in a world of glory." | *This seems unlikely, given that fathers and mothers in glory must imply heterosexual relationships. Joseph also comforted Marcellus Bates, saying "You shall soon have the company of your companion in a world of glory." | ||
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* {{HoC1|vol=5|start=363}} | * {{HoC1|vol=5|start=363}} | ||
* {{wordsjs1|start=279 n. 11}} | * {{wordsjs1|start=279 n. 11}} | ||
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*The author extracts the following Joseph Smith quote: | *The author extracts the following Joseph Smith quote: | ||
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"...it is pleasing for friends to lie down together, locked in the arms of love, to sleep and wake in each other's embrace and renew their conversation." | "...it is pleasing for friends to lie down together, locked in the arms of love, to sleep and wake in each other's embrace and renew their conversation." | ||
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| − | * | + | *Th author again warps talk of the resurrection of families through a homosexual lens to completely distort Joseph's meaning. |
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* {{HoC|vol=5|start=360|end=362}} | * {{HoC|vol=5|start=360|end=362}} | ||
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*{{HoC|vol=5|start=360|end=362}} | *{{HoC|vol=5|start=360|end=362}} | ||
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Index to claims made in Same-Sex Dynamics Among Nineteenth-Century Americans: A Mormon Example
This is an index of claims made in this work with links to corresponding responses within the FAIRwiki.
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Claim
- The author extracts the following passage:
"...two who were vary friends indeed should lie down upon the same bed at night locked in each other['s] embrace talking of their love & should awake in the morning together. They could immediately renew their conversation of love even while rising from their bed."
"...two who were vary friends indeed should lie down upon the same bed at night locked in each other['s] embrace talking of their love & should awake in the morning together. They could immediately renew their conversation of love even while rising from their bed."
Response
- Scott G. Kenney, ed., Wilford Woodruff's Journal: 1833-1898 Typescript, 9 vols. and index (Midvale, Utah: Signature Books, 1983-91), 2:227.
87
Claim
- The book claims that Dan Jones reported that in Carthage Joseph came "and lay himself by my side in close embrace." The author then concludes "the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith enjoyed bedtime snuggling with male friends throughout his life"
Response- Dan Jones to Thomas Bullock, 20 January 1855, in Ronald D. Dennis, ed., "The Martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum Smith," Brigham Young University Studies 24 no. 1 (1984), 101. {Spelling and punctuation as in the original.)off-site
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Claim
- The author claims that Joseph "never once mentioned husband-wife relationships . . . remarkable in a sermon on loving relationships in this life and in the resurrection during which the prophet repeatedly spoke of "brothers and friends," fathers and sons, mothers, daughters and sisters. Smith's silence concerning husbands and wives was deafening in this sermon about attachments of love . . . but I do see that as the first Mormon expression of male bonding."
Response- Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 volumes, edited by Brigham H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1957), 5:363. Volume 5 link
- Andrew F. Ehat and Lyndon W. Cook, The Words of Joseph Smith: The Contemporary Accounts of the Nauvoo Discourses of Joseph Smith, 2nd Edition, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1996), 279 n. 11.
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Claim
- The author extracts the following Joseph Smith quote:
"...it is pleasing for friends to lie down together, locked in the arms of love, to sleep and wake in each other's embrace and renew their conversation."
"...it is pleasing for friends to lie down together, locked in the arms of love, to sleep and wake in each other's embrace and renew their conversation."
Response
- Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 volumes, edited by Brigham H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1957), 5:360–362. Volume 5 link