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====Stone box in which plates were deposited==== | ====Stone box in which plates were deposited==== | ||
− | * "there, on the side of a hill, found in a stone box, or a square space enclosed by stone on every side, the plates on which the revelation was inscribed. The box in thickness was about 6 inches, and about 7 by 5 otherwise....well secured by silver rings or loops in the box as an effectual defence against all weather...." - | + | * "there, on the side of a hill, found in a stone box, or a square space enclosed by stone on every side, the plates on which the revelation was inscribed. The box in thickness was about 6 inches, and about 7 by 5 otherwise....well secured by silver rings or loops in the box as an effectual defence against all weather...." - {{CriticalWork:Catholic Telegraph:14 April 1832|pages=204–205}} |
====Material==== | ====Material==== | ||
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*"golden plates"{{ref|fn2}} — David Whitmer | *"golden plates"{{ref|fn2}} — David Whitmer | ||
*"a mixture of gold and copper"{{ref|fn3}} - William Smith | *"a mixture of gold and copper"{{ref|fn3}} - William Smith | ||
− | *"pure gold" - | + | *"pure gold" - {{CriticalWork:Catholic Telegraph:14 April 1832|pages=204–205}} |
* "whitish yellow" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | * "whitish yellow" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | ||
+ | * "engraven on plates of gold" - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}} | ||
====Weight==== | ====Weight==== | ||
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* "about eight inches long, seven inches wide"{{ref|fn15}} —David Whitmer | * "about eight inches long, seven inches wide"{{ref|fn15}} —David Whitmer | ||
* "about eight inches square" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | * "about eight inches square" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | ||
− | * "six or eight inches square" - | + | * "six or eight inches square" - {{CriticalWork:Fredonia Censor:7 March 1832|pages=xxx}} |
− | + | * "The plates were each about 7 by 8 inches in width and length." - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}} | |
====Thickness of each plate==== | ====Thickness of each plate==== | ||
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*"[We] could raise the leaves this way (raising a few leaves of the Bible before him)."{{ref|fn21}} —William Smith | *"[We] could raise the leaves this way (raising a few leaves of the Bible before him)."{{ref|fn21}} —William Smith | ||
*"They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metalic [sic] sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book."{{ref|fn22}} —Emma Smith | *"They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metalic [sic] sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book."{{ref|fn22}} —Emma Smith | ||
− | * "each as thick as a pane of glass" - | + | * "each as thick as a pane of glass" - {{CriticalWork:Fredonia Censor:7 March 1832|pages=xxx}} |
− | * "the plates themselves were about as thick as window glass, or common tin" - | + | * "the plates themselves were about as thick as window glass, or common tin" - {{CriticalWork:Catholic Telegraph:14 April 1832|pages=204–205}} |
* "thickness of tin plates" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | * "thickness of tin plates" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | ||
+ | * "being about the thickness of common tin" - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}} | ||
====Thickness of whole volume==== | ====Thickness of whole volume==== | ||
*"[W]hen piled one above the other, they were altogether about four inches thick."{{ref|fn24}} —Martin Harris | *"[W]hen piled one above the other, they were altogether about four inches thick."{{ref|fn24}} —Martin Harris | ||
− | * "six or eight inches thick" - | + | * "six or eight inches thick" - {{CriticalWork:Fredonia Censor:7 March 1832|pages=xxx}} |
* JS - 6 inches? {{NeedCite}} | * JS - 6 inches? {{NeedCite}} | ||
− | + | * "The volume was something near six inches in thickness." - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}} | |
====Sealed vs. unsealed==== | ====Sealed vs. unsealed==== | ||
*"A large portion of the leaves were so securely bound together that it was impossible to separate them."{{ref|fn25}} —David Whitmer | *"A large portion of the leaves were so securely bound together that it was impossible to separate them."{{ref|fn25}} —David Whitmer | ||
*"What there was sealed appeared as solid to my view as wood. About the half of the book was sealed."{{ref|fn26}} —David Whitmer | *"What there was sealed appeared as solid to my view as wood. About the half of the book was sealed."{{ref|fn26}} —David Whitmer | ||
− | * "they thus translated about two thirds of what the plates contained, reserving the residue for a future day as the Lord might hereafter direct." - | + | * "they thus translated about two thirds of what the plates contained, reserving the residue for a future day as the Lord might hereafter direct." - {{CriticalWork:Catholic Telegraph:14 April 1832|pages=204–205}} |
* "the leaves were divided equidistant between the back and the edge, by cutting the plates in two parts, and again united with solder, so that the front might be opened, while the back part remained stationary and immovable, and was consequently a sealed book, which would not be revealed for ages to come, and which Smith himself was not permitted to understand." - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | * "the leaves were divided equidistant between the back and the edge, by cutting the plates in two parts, and again united with solder, so that the front might be opened, while the back part remained stationary and immovable, and was consequently a sealed book, which would not be revealed for ages to come, and which Smith himself was not permitted to understand." - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | ||
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* "The plates were . . . connected with rings in the shape of the letter D, which facilitated the opening and shutting of the book."{{ref|fn32a}} - William E. McLellin quoting Hyrum Smith | * "The plates were . . . connected with rings in the shape of the letter D, which facilitated the opening and shutting of the book."{{ref|fn32a}} - William E. McLellin quoting Hyrum Smith | ||
* "I could tell they were plates of some kind and that they were fastened together by rings running through the back."{{ref|fn32b}} - William Smith | * "I could tell they were plates of some kind and that they were fastened together by rings running through the back."{{ref|fn32b}} - William Smith | ||
+ | * "volume of them were bound together like the leaves of a book, and fastened at one edge with three rings running through the whole" - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}} | ||
* "The plates were minutely described as being connected with rings in the shape of the letter D, when facilitated the opening and shutting of the book."{{ref|16.sept.1831}} - Early skeptical newspaper account | * "The plates were minutely described as being connected with rings in the shape of the letter D, when facilitated the opening and shutting of the book."{{ref|16.sept.1831}} - Early skeptical newspaper account | ||
* "back was secured with three small rings of the same metal, passing through each leaf in succession" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | * "back was secured with three small rings of the same metal, passing through each leaf in succession" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | ||
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* "[T]he characters . . . were cut into the plates with some sharp instrument."{{ref|fn39}} —William Smith | * "[T]he characters . . . were cut into the plates with some sharp instrument."{{ref|fn39}} —William Smith | ||
* "On opening that part of the book which was not secured by seals, he discovered inscribed on the aforesaid plates, divers and wonderful characters, some large and some small" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | * "On opening that part of the book which was not secured by seals, he discovered inscribed on the aforesaid plates, divers and wonderful characters, some large and some small" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}} | ||
+ | * "These were filled with engravings on both sides" - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}} | ||
===Description of the plates' hiding place=== | ===Description of the plates' hiding place=== |
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== Critics claim that:
To see citations to the critical sources for these claims, click here
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It is important to note at the outset that Dan Vogel (a prominent advocate of this attempt to redefine the witnesses' testimonies) describes his approach as beginning
Thus, Vogel must come up with a counter-explanation for the Book of Mormon. Having decided that the Book of Mormon cannot be true history, Vogel must ignore evidence which disproves his thesis, and manufacture evidence through speculation, rather than considering all the evidence and then drawing conclusions therefrom about both the reality of the Book of Mormon's history and the existence of the plates. As he notes, the two are connected. One cannot dismiss the eyewitness reports (some of whom reported that they saw more than just plates 'under the cloth,') as irrelevant to the question of the Book of Mormon's historicity and origins.
Vogel does not seem to realize it, but the difficulty which he has in coming up with plausible explanations for the physical plates and the testimonies of the eight witnesses is evidence for the reality of the Book of Mormon. But, that conclusion is unacceptable to him, so he must downplay the evidence for the physical plates.
Vogel and others attempt to argue that the witnesses only 'saw' the plates in a spiritual state, and then were allowed to heft a covered box. This flatly contradicts their own reports, and those of others. Lucy Mack Smith wrote:
A variety of persons who handled and/or saw the plates left descriptions:[3]
It should be noted that the "D" shape here described is the most efficient way to pack pages with rings. It is a common design in modern three-ring binders, but was not invented until recently (the two-ring binder did not exist prior to 1854 and were first advertised in 1899. The critics would apparently have us believe that Joseph Smith and/or the witnesses just happened upon the most efficient binding design more than a century before anyone else! Such a pattern also matches a collection of gold plates found in Bavaria dating from 600 B.C.[34]
Oliver Cowdery described the plates as found by Joseph:
The Journal of Book of Mormon Studies states:
The critics have made an ad hoc assumption that Joseph made plates out of tin. There is no known evidence to support this assertion, nor does it explain how skeptical witnesses were convinced that they were made of gold, rather than tin. This accusation is interesting, because it shows how desperate some critics are to discredit Joseph Smith, yet they cannot dismiss the repeated testimony that he had actual, physical plates which many witnesses concluded were of gold, and of ancient origin.
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