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− | ===Descriptions of the plates=== | + | ===Description of the plates=== |
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− | A variety of persons who handled and/or saw the plates left descriptions:{{ref|descript1}}
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− | ====Stone box in which plates were deposited====
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− | * "there, on the side of a hill, found in a stone box, or a square space enclosed by stone on every side, the plates on which the revelation was inscribed. The box in thickness was about 6 inches, and about 7 by 5 otherwise....well secured by silver rings or loops in the box as an effectual defence against all weather...." - {{CriticalWork:Catholic Telegraph:14 April 1832|pages=204–205}}
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− | * "A hole of sufficient depth had been dug, and a flat stone laid in the bottom; then there were four set erect at the outer edges of the bottom stone, joined together with some kind of cement, so as to form a Box. On the bottom stone was laid a Shield or Breastplate, from that arose three pillars made of cement. On the top of these pillars laid the Record, together with the “Urim and Thummim,” the whole not to extend quite even with the top of the side stones. Over the whole was placed a crowning stone, a small part of which was visible, when he first visited the spot." - {{Book:Appleby:Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream|pages=1–24}}
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− | ====Material====
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− | *"the appearance of gold"{{ref|fn1}} — Joseph Smith Jr., Eight Witnesses
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− | * "had the appearance of gold" - {{TS1|author=Joseph Smith|article=Church History [Wentworth letter]|vol=3|num=9|date=1 Mar 1842|pages=706–710}} {{link|url= http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=3454&REC=4}}
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− | *"golden plates"{{ref|fn2}} — David Whitmer
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− | *"a mixture of gold and copper"{{ref|fn3}} - William Smith
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− | *"pure gold" - {{CriticalWork:Catholic Telegraph:14 April 1832|pages=204–205}}
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− | * "whitish yellow" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}}
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− | * "engraven on plates of gold" - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}}
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− | ====Weight====
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− | *"weighing altogether from forty to sixty lbs."{{ref|fn4}} —Martin Harris
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− | *"I was permitted to lift them. . . . They weighed about sixty pounds according to the best of my judgement."{{ref|fn5}} —William Smith
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− | *"I . . . judged them to have weighed about sixty pounds."{{ref|fn6}}—William Smith
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− | *"They were much heavier than a stone, and very much heavier than wood. . . . As near as I could tell, about sixty pounds."{{ref|fn7}} —William Smith
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− | *"I hefted the plates, and I knew from the heft that they were lead or gold."{{ref|fn8}} —Martin Harris
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− | *"My daughter said, they were about as much as she could lift. They were now in the glass-box, and my wife said they were very heavy. They both lifted them."{{ref|fn9}} —Martin Harris
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− | *"I moved them from place to place on the table, as it was necessary in doing my work."{{ref|fn10}} —Emma Smith
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− | *Joseph's sister Catherine, while she was dusting in the room where he had been translating, "hefted those plates [which were covered with a cloth] and found them very heavy."{{ref|fn11}} —H. S. Salisbury, paraphrasing Catherine Smith Salisbury
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− | ====Size of each plate====
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− | * "six inches wide by eight inches long"{{ref|fn12}} —Joseph Smith Jr.
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− | * "seven inches wide by eight inches in length"{{ref|fn13}} —Martin Harris
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− | * "seven by eight inches"{{ref|fn14}} —Martin Harris
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− | * "about eight inches long, seven inches wide"{{ref|fn15}} —David Whitmer
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− | * "about eight inches square" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}}
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− | * "six or eight inches square" - {{CriticalWork:Fredonia Censor:7 March 1832|pages=xxx}}
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− | * "The plates were each about 7 by 8 inches in width and length." - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}}
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− | * "about eight inches long, and six wide" - Lucy Mack Smith (allegedly) in {{CriticalWork:Caswall:City of the Mormons 2|pages=26}}
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− | * "Each plate was about six by eight inches" - {{Book:Appleby:Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream|pages=1–24}}
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− | ====Thickness of each plate====
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− | *"of the thickness of plates of tin"{{ref|fn17}} —Martin Harris
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− | *"thin leaves of gold"{{ref|fn18}} —Martin Harris
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− | *"about as thick as parchment"{{ref|fn19}} —David Whitmer
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− | *"[We] could raise the leaves this way (raising a few leaves of the Bible before him)."{{ref|fn21}} —William Smith
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− | *"They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metalic [sic] sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book."{{ref|fn22}} —Emma Smith
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− | * "each as thick as a pane of glass" - {{CriticalWork:Fredonia Censor:7 March 1832|pages=xxx}}
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− | * "the plates themselves were about as thick as window glass, or common tin" - {{CriticalWork:Catholic Telegraph:14 April 1832|pages=204–205}}
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− | * "thickness of tin plates" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}}
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− | * "being about the thickness of common tin" - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}}
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− | * "as thick as common tin" - {{Book:Appleby:Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream|pages=1–24}}
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− | ====Thickness of whole volume====
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− | *"[W]hen piled one above the other, they were altogether about four inches thick."{{ref|fn24}} —Martin Harris
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− | * "six or eight inches thick" - {{CriticalWork:Fredonia Censor:7 March 1832|pages=xxx}}
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− | * "The volume was something near six inches in thickness." - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}}
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− | * "The volume was something near six inches in thickness" - {{TS1|author=Joseph Smith|article=Church History [Wentworth letter]|vol=3|num=9|date=1 Mar 1842|pages=706–710}} {{link|url= http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=3454&REC=4}}
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− | * "the whole being about six inches in thickness" - {{Book:Appleby:Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream|pages=1–24}}
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− | ====Sealed vs. unsealed====
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− | *"A large portion of the leaves were so securely bound together that it was impossible to separate them."{{ref|fn25}} —David Whitmer
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− | *"What there was sealed appeared as solid to my view as wood. About the half of the book was sealed."{{ref|fn26}} —David Whitmer
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− | * "they thus translated about two thirds of what the plates contained, reserving the residue for a future day as the Lord might hereafter direct." - {{CriticalWork:Catholic Telegraph:14 April 1832|pages=204–205}}
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− | * "the leaves were divided equidistant between the back and the edge, by cutting the plates in two parts, and again united with solder, so that the front might be opened, while the back part remained stationary and immovable, and was consequently a sealed book, which would not be revealed for ages to come, and which Smith himself was not permitted to understand." - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}}
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− | * "some of them are sealed together and are not to be opened, and some of them are loose" - Lucy Mack Smith (allegedly) in {{CriticalWork:Caswall:City of the Mormons 2|pages=26}}
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− | * "a part of which was sealed. The unsealed part has been translated; and contains the Book of Mormon" - {{Book:Appleby:Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream|pages=1–24}}
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− | ====Rings====
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− | *"[T]hey were fastened with rings thus [a sketch shows a ring in the shape of a capital D with six lines drawn through the straight side of the letter to represent the leaves of the record]."{{ref|fn29}} —David Whitmer
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− | *"bound together like the leaves of a book by massive rings passing through the back edges"{{ref|fn30}} —David Whitmer
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− | *"They were bound together in the shape of a book by three gold rings."{{ref|fn31}} —David Whitmer
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− | *"put together on the back by three silver rings, so that they would open like a book"{{ref|fn32}} —Martin Harris
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− | *" bound together in a volume, as the leaves of a book with three rings running through the whole" - {{TS1|author=Joseph Smith|article=Church History [Wentworth letter]|vol=3|num=9|date=1 Mar 1842|pages=706–710}} {{link|url= http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=3454&REC=4}}
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− | * "The plates were . . . connected with rings in the shape of the letter D, which facilitated the opening and shutting of the book."{{ref|fn32a}} - William E. McLellin quoting Hyrum Smith
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− | * "I could tell they were plates of some kind and that they were fastened together by rings running through the back."{{ref|fn32b}} - William Smith
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− | * "volume of them were bound together like the leaves of a book, and fastened at one edge with three rings running through the whole" - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}}
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− | * "They are all connected by a ring which passes through a hole at the end of each plate" - Lucy Mack Smith (allegedly) in {{CriticalWork:Caswall:City of the Mormons 2|pages=26}}
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− | * "put together with three rings, running through the whole" - {{Book:Appleby:Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream|pages=1–24}}
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− | * "The plates were minutely described as being connected with rings in the shape of the letter D, when facilitated the opening and shutting of the book."{{ref|16.sept.1831}} - Early skeptical newspaper account
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− | * "back was secured with three small rings of the same metal, passing through each leaf in succession" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}}
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− | It should be noted that the "D" shape here described is the most efficient way to pack pages with rings. It is a common design in modern three-ring binders, but was not invented until recently (the two-ring binder did not exist prior to 1854 and were first advertised in 1899. The critics would apparently have us believe that Joseph Smith and/or the witnesses just happened upon the most efficient binding design more than a century before anyone else! Such a pattern also matches a collection of gold plates found in Bavaria dating from 600 B.C.{{ref|binder1}}
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− | ====Engravings====
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− | * "[The plates] were filled with . . . Egyptian characters. . . . The characters on the unsealed part were small, and beautifully engraved. The whole book exhibited many marks of antiquity in its construction and much skill in the art of engraving."{{ref|fn36}} —Joseph Smith Jr.
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− | * "There were fine engravings on both sides."{{ref|fn37}} —John Whitmer
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− | * "We also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship."{{ref|fn38}} —Eight Witnesses
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− | * "[T]he characters . . . were cut into the plates with some sharp instrument."{{ref|fn39}} —William Smith
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− | * "On opening that part of the book which was not secured by seals, he discovered inscribed on the aforesaid plates, divers and wonderful characters, some large and some small" - Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 15; attributed to David Whitmer {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=808&REC=3}}
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− | * "These were filled with engravings on both sides" - {{MS1|author=Parley P. Pratt|article=Discovery of an Ancient Record in America|vol=1|num=2|date=June 1840|pages=30–37}} {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=2345&REC=13}}
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− | * "are covered with letters beautifully engraved" - Lucy Mack Smith (allegedly) in {{CriticalWork:Caswall:City of the Mormons 2|pages=26}}
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− | * "on each side beautifully engraved, and filled with black cement" - {{Book:Appleby:Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream|pages=1–24}}
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| ===Description of the plates' hiding place=== | | ===Description of the plates' hiding place=== |
It is important to note at the outset that Dan Vogel (a prominent advocate of this attempt to redefine the witnesses' testimonies) describes his approach as beginning
Thus, Vogel must come up with a counter-explanation for the Book of Mormon. Having decided that the Book of Mormon cannot be true history, Vogel must ignore evidence which disproves his thesis, and manufacture evidence through speculation, rather than considering all the evidence and then drawing conclusions therefrom about both the reality of the Book of Mormon's history and the existence of the plates. As he notes, the two are connected. One cannot dismiss the eyewitness reports (some of whom reported that they saw more than just plates 'under the cloth,') as irrelevant to the question of the Book of Mormon's historicity and origins.
Vogel does not seem to realize it, but the difficulty which he has in coming up with plausible explanations for the physical plates and the testimonies of the eight witnesses is evidence for the reality of the Book of Mormon. But, that conclusion is unacceptable to him, so he must downplay the evidence for the physical plates.
Vogel and others attempt to argue that the witnesses only 'saw' the plates in a spiritual state, and then were allowed to heft a covered box. This flatly contradicts their own reports, and those of others. Lucy Mack Smith wrote: